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If you are not a fan of ROTK itself, then you can't get differentiated experience. But it has an aspect of role-playing game, so if you like role-playing, you may find fun from the game. Of course, you may feel 'restricted' when you play as a general, not lord.
Diplomacy is important at ROTK13. You will be in great trouble if you don't get any alliance. But it can be easily exploited. And ROTK game series has always put emphasis on 'Unite China', so everyone must be a warmonger.
I, personally, am a great fan of ROTK, so I'm very satisfied with ROTK13. And price goes down from 90$ a week ago(though I bought it right after the release). But I NEVER recommend it to people who are not a fan of ROTK. It provides brief explanation about each guys and 'Hero Mode' which allows you to play through the novel so that you can learn about ROTK, but I can't think that you will be a fan of ROTK from playing the game.
I'm bad at English, so can't tell you much about the game. But if you ask about specific things, I'll answer.
+ There is another version of NA:SoI, called 'Sengoku Risshiden' which allows playing as a general. I think that this is better than ROTK13 for non-fan of ROTK. But there is no news for English version.
I only didn't like it before because I was a young kid and had no experience or knowledge of that type of game play
I am become familar with a lot of these strategy type games now and love them. If only so more of the complex ones would reach console (I know, I know PC is better).
I am specifically wondering if they ever made any patches to make the AI better or any more added options.
Is the hero mode really in-depth or is it pretty bland. I find Nobunagas Ambition:Sphere of Influence to be semi complex. I have yet to try it on harder difficulties, because I like to take my time some games.
Does it have much replay value? I noticed you put 73 hours into it and if you enjoyed it that paid it self off easily.
I have to pass on this NA:Sol game you recommend as great as it sounds. I am strictly a console player at the moment. I use to do PC gaming, but haven't got around to building a new PC. I prefer sitting on my couch haha so anytime a game like this comes to console I really want to get it.
Would you mind giving me a short list of the Pro's and Con's of the game? I am passing up on a lot of games this month, so far I am leaning towards getting it. If it's a bust, well what can I say lol.
I just would like to find a way to justify my purchase. Besides hero mode could you give a brief idea of what to expect with the other mode? Basically you said its a Nobunaga lite? In what way? I get that the main mode is the hero mode though and I think I would enjoy a type of role play.
By the way your English is absolutely fine.
Thank you so much
Dunno, KOEI has released patches which have made this game better(still far to go), but there is no major patch for 2 months. Maybe there will be one with the release of English version? Or KOEI may not be planning further patches and going to release expansion directly.
KOEI always releases expansions for ROTK and NA(1 expansion for 1 original game, except NA:SoI which has second another expansion as stand-alone). These expansions change the game greatly, so that players can't avoid buying them. NA:SoI you bought contains expansion as English version was released after the release of its expansion, but you should buy expansion of ROTK13 if you buy ROTK13 before KOEI suggests complete package.
It is easy at start, as it has a role of tutorial also. But after tutorial scenarios, it becomes harder and harder. I can't say about complexity, because Hero Mode is just a series of short scenarios based on Main Mode. So if one doesn't think that Main Mode of ROTK13 complex, he would think that Hero Mode isn't complex too, and vice-versa.
You can have every features within 20~30 hours. You can select hundreds of character to play and even make your own, but if you are not friendly with novel and fail to emphathize with characeter, then you can't find difference among playing this one, that one, and your own one.
There are some roles in the game like lord, governer-general, mayor, minister, normal subordinate, and unemployed. If you don't start with lords, then you would serve for your lord and step up to higher rank to be a governer-general, and keep serving or betray. You can make friend with helping others or giving present, etc, and making friend gives you new trait and your friends will help you in some circumstances like suggesting at conference determing strategy, trying diplomacy with the country where your friend works, and making your friend betrary his country or help your betray. And you can enjoy other things.. Like earn money with helping civilians and buy items, clear achievements(not linked with Steam) to unlock officers of Ancient China, but to be honest, not that much to enjoy..
(lord, governer-general, and mayor can have 3 ministers for their own. Prime minister, minister of interior, and minister of military. Prime minister of lord is very powerful, even more powerful than governer-general but only very skillful officer can be prime minister of powerful lord. Players normaly can be governer-general even with low skilled officer, if he reaches second high rank out of 9 ranks)
I'm a big fan of ROTK, so I united China 4 times. 2 as minor lords, 1 as subordinate of Cao Cao, 1 as Liu Bei. I failed many tries as subordinate, because making your weak lord unite China with low skilled subordinate(and can't be a prime minister) is veeeeeery hard(suggesting is highly restriced for subordinates except special right which is given to player whenever he get promoted to higher rank and conference determining national strategy. betray and become new lord is much easier). And I put some hours to investigate what I can do and search the game system deeply. And now, there is nothing to play so I'm waiting for new patch or expansion. I didn't play Hero Mode that much, as I already know well about ROTK.
NA:SR is better than ROTK13, but other than playing as a subordinate, it doesn't add much so players in my country are very disappionted and say 'no play value for people who already played NA:SoI', so I can't recommend it too. :-)
Pros
- Can play as a subordinate.
- Can move around China meet other officers freely.
- Massive offense from large AI lords and coalition against player make the game exciting.
- Hero mode which allows to play through the story of ROTK.
- Quickly paced.
It is very hard to find pros compared to NA..
Cons
- Bad graphic.
- Desolate background and little city sprawl.
- Battle is even worse than NA.
- Systems are simpler than NA.
- Suggestion is too highly restriced.(you can't suggest to distribute provinces between your state and lord's state even you are a governer-general, so that you have much more provinces that your lord. suggesting diplomacy is only able for prime minister. other than that, even governer-general should use special right-though he can't get much rights as he already reached high rank- or suggest at conference)
- Bad AI(suicidal attack to already gathered enemy army without gathering, not buying food even with much money, etc)
Hard to find different things from what I wrote above.
Producer of ROTK13 said that 'ROTK puts emphasis on uniting China, so that it can't be same with NA which puts emphasis on enjoying Sengoku Jidai.' This explains all. ROTK can't be more complex than NA. ROTK has less density, less officers, less features, just is quickly paced, so people have thought that ROTK is recycle or lite version of NA.
Well, NA:SoI original was very bad. It became a good game after it gets expansion. So I expect that ROTK13 will be much greater after it gets expansion, but before that, playing ROTK13 after playing NA:SoI will be a disappointing experience.
I still sure that they just mock us with this name. Because, you know, Taiko Risshiden. I really like TRV even if it's have quite strange battle and swordfight systems.
Thank you so much for your effort to explain things to me, I greatly appreciate it. I am still on the fence about this game. Ugh, I want to buy it. But from my experience NA:SOI didn't drop in price for an extremely long time. I assume it will be the same with this. I have extra money from cancelling my pre order for star ocean.
Ahh man I don't know what to do! If the AI was at least average I would be very happy. I don't know the background of this company in terms of patches and balances. So it's hard for me to be like "well I'm sure they will continue to improve it." I feel like many games like this that aren't exactly popular, get tossed out and not touched again.
I bought that game "Grand Ages: Medieval" I was almost sure they were going to do more fixes and content. But sadly it seems to have been abandoned.
ONE last question, from 1 to 10 what would you rate it? I am so far trusting your judgement haha. I'm trying my best to find a reason to buy it, I'm just hesitant because I'm not sure what else under my radar will come out. And I have a horrible habit of buying too many games every month, so I am trying to show some discipline so I can save some money haha.
EDIT: I would lose my mind if Crusader Kings 2 came out for PS4. I never got to far into, because of its complexity. But man would I love to sit on my couch and learn that game inside and out. One could dream :-(
Do you plan to get ROTK 13? I have heard great things of the previous ones. So far it seems this one hasn't lived up to the name, but I am wondering if it will be fun enough for me as a new player.
But if I rate ROTK13 with the same standard with other games, I can't rate it good. It isn't a game for 2016. I rate CK2 as 8.5/10, EU4 as 9/10(it is the best in my life). ROTK13 is.. 4/10?
Yes. SR isn't similar with TR5, it is just a stand-alone expansion for NA:SoI and similar with ROTK13. But it is well expected with announced information and screenshots.
Yes, ROTK10 is different with ROTK11, simliar with ROTK13. If you want to play ROTK10, ROTK13 will be a better choice. ROTK13 is improved from ROTK10, though there are some people who rate ROTK10 better as ROTK13 leaves some role-playing features.
You're killing me man! Haha I am going to go with your 4/10 rating, especially comparing it to CK and I've heard great things about EU as well. Since I can't say I'm a ROTK fan, I'll have to delay my experience. Too bad they didn't have a demo. Maybe I'll hop on my PC and try to "demo" it.
Sigh...I guess I'll wait until the price drops or I hear of massive changes and extra content. Thank you for helping me, you have been great.
All this talk has got me about to pop in NA:SOI and have some fun. Hopefully I see another reason to give ROTK a try soon. It's just disappointing because it's not a popular console genre and it's so nice to lay on my couch and play a game you can invest a lot of relaxing hours into.
Side note: you mentioned extra content for NA:SOI? Did they actually change anything to the game? As far as I know it was strictly more campaign scenarios, unless PS4 wasn't lucky to receive anything.
Thanks sir, and have a good one. I'm glad you got 75 hours of the game and managed to get your money's worth (well maybe not if you paid $90 XD).
EDIT: CK and EU come to the damn console! I'm waiting for you to take my money!!! Just take it damnit!
I'm satisfied with $90 ROTK13, even with bad AIs and lack of features which were introduced at older ROTK games. If expansion fixs AIs and adds lost features, I will be able to recommend it to players who are not a fan of ROTK(but price will be problematic).. I hope.
Can't expect that they will come to console. A few years ago, Johan Andersson, EVP of Paradox Development Studio, said
You can see full interview at http://kotaku.com/5931092/you-might-soon-see-paradoxs-big-pc-games-on-an-ipad-but-probably-not-a-console . Ignore the subject of the interview. We can't say 'soon' for even ipad, as there is no news for it. Some people play games of Paradox with Windows tablet PC like Surface, but they are too expensive to buy for gameplay only.
That is very unfortunate to hear. I wonder what exactly is "restricting" them doing console games. I'm guessing it has to do with the limit on save files and long delay in having patches approved.
I emailed KOEI, I asked them questions pertaining to the PS4 release such as is it the most updated patch release, will there be a day 1 patch, any free DLC, and any place to buy it that offers anything.
I have my doubts that they will even reply. But depending on what I hear, I might just bite the bullet and buy it lol.
I've read the positive reviews and it seems it has been getting better and better with patch updates and I'm expecting more to come. It seems most people are just extremely pissed about paying so much and I agree. I don't think any game is worth $90 unless it's some collectors edition. Especially this game in general. Their website provides a lot of the feature and honestly it looks really cool.
I'm going to watch a couple YouTube videos (hopefully someone who speaks English and know Chinese) and get a better feel for it.
I've taken your opinion very strongly and I'm still just a bit short from clicking buy. Your responses are so good and informative. You seem to know quite a lot about these games and companies, which is why I am still holding back on it.
If only they would just come out and say we're working hard still and adding content and fine tuning things (specifically AI). That would probably give me the nudge.
In the end it's only $48 on Amazon. It's really not a total loss if it's a bust. I wouldn't be surprised if they let me return it for a full refund. Their support is by far #1, best I've ever dealt with and have received countless promotional compensation.
Koei isn't conscientious and doens't have craftmanship. AI issue is a shared issue for almost every companies and very difficult to fix, so it is hard to expect company like Koei to fix this kind of issue. But they did a good job to NA:SoI and previous patches for ROTK13 were fine. If only Koei fixes critical issues(sucidal attack and not buying food) with the release of English version..
I think that the fact that English version gonna be WITH expansion (PUK) already is a big "meaningful" addition to that other countries have right now.
The funny thing is, that they actually capable to make decent AI, ROTK IX one can complitely own your ass if you not expert in this game already, in ROTK XI too, thought nature of this game making it's much harder for AI to steamroll you. They are good, even if they tend to be not be very effective with naval invasions and resource hoarding. Oh, and diplomacy abuse, which not work quite as effective in IX as in XI.
And yes, ROTK9 had overall better AI, but ROTK9 had a system allowing bad AIs to work well, it was just optical illusion. ROTK11 had serious AI issue. AIs are too bad at war to allow players beat whole of China with only one province. Powerful generals sometimes go to war with siege machine, not troops. AI governer demolishes what player built and builds what it want. We can call ROTK11 and ROTK13 as Dumb and Dumber.
While it's not guaranteened, but it's speculated that english-speaking players not stupid like series enough to buy it two times and otherwise gonna whine like they, well, we always did.
And this is 30th anniversity, KOEI-TECMO of series, become quite mad, they released NA with PUK for western audience and created second PUK-like kit for they game (which they supposedly not gonna give us, gaijins) .
Well, FireTigres (Juggernauts) and Arrow Towers pretty powerfull in ROTK XI against common troops types, if you use them right. And i use powerful generals in them too, because i have enough of them, because i mostly play as Cao Cao.
But even if i play as Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang on Jaggernaut is still badass and "canonical".