207 Three Visits (Liu Bei)

[SleepingDragon4444]

Has anyone tried this? Liu Bei’s faction gets overwhelmed in my game. At least on advanced difficulty.

Has anyone defeated Cao Cao in this scenario? If so, I’d love to hear about it.

[Vin362]

I didn’t play on advance difficulty but I did play on normal I did manage to push Cao Cao back a
bit toward the north to by sometime to breath. I was playing Liu Bei himself I marched to Runan as my first target to control the battle using Zhao Yun, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei wisely I was able to capture and defeat some of Cao Cao’s lesser generals in duels and then I would use pincer attacks to get that bonus damage after the reinforcements slowed down I took Wan castle next, as luck would have Sun Quan started to march on Cao Cao so his forces were divided I got an alliance with Ma Teng/Chao and Sun Quan so I would have my back safe.

I wish I could remember what I did after Cao Cao was pushed toward Ye but it has been a while and not sure if I can get lucky with Sun Quan attacking when he did again as he normally goes after the Shi clan.

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by Vin362:

I didn’t play on advance difficulty but I did play on normal I did manage to push Cao Cao back a
bit toward the north to by sometime to breath. I was playing Liu Bei himself I marched to Runan as my first target to control the battle using Zhao Yun, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei wisely I was able to capture and defeat some of Cao Cao’s lesser generals in duels and then I would use pincer attacks to get that bonus damage after the reinforcements slowed down I took Wan castle next, as luck would have Sun Quan started to march on Cao Cao so his forces were divided I got an alliance with Ma Teng/Chao and Sun Quan so I would have my back safe.

I wish I could remember what I did after Cao Cao was pushed toward Ye but it has been a while and not sure if I can get lucky with Sun Quan attacking when he did again as he normally goes after the Shi clan.

That’s a great playthrough sounds like. I’m going to try a more aggressive strategy and try to force Cao Cao into a ceasefire at least, so I can take southern Jing and Yi.

The battle of Chibi doesn’t seem to give you any breathing time at all. Cao Cao’s actual troop numbers don’t seem to decline at all. Like the battle didn’t happen outside of cut scenes, and the game giving you Jiangling.

[Vin362]

If I am not mistake once you Liu Bei get’s Jiangling you should be able to march on the four governors expect for Han Xuan who has Wei Yan and Huang Zhong they lack officers so if you can build an army of 25,000-35,000 you can take them out in almost one year from each other make sure officer death is off as the last thing you need is Guan Yu or someone else killing either Wei Yan or Huang Zhong in a duel and, don’t forget to use tactics/abilities like Zhuge Liang’s brilliant maneuver or ones that lower enemy morale if you can route their morale you can overcome the difference between light and heavy unit types.

Once Jing is yours try to keep an alliance with Sun Quan to go after Yi at this point hope that Cao Cao is too busy fighting Ma Teng or Ma Chao if expansion event happened, if you’re lucky, Sun Quan will also either defeat the Shi or focus on Cao Cao.

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by Vin362:

If I am not mistake once you Liu Bei get’s Jiangling you should be able to march on the four governors expect for Han Xuan who has Wei Yan and Huang Zhong they lack officers so if you can build an army of 25,000-35,000 you can take them out in almost one year from each other make sure officer death is off as the last thing you need is Guan Yu or someone else killing either Wei Yan or Huang Zhong in a duel and, don’t forget to use tactics/abilities like Zhuge Liang’s brilliant maneuver or ones that lower enemy morale if you can route their morale you can overcome the difference between light and heavy unit types.

Once Jing is yours try to keep an alliance with Sun Quan to go after Yi at this point hope that Cao Cao is too busy fighting Ma Teng or Ma Chao if expansion event happened, if you’re lucky, Sun Quan will also either defeat the Shi or focus on Cao Cao.

The Ma Chao event is over extremely quickly, and Cao Cao immediately swoops down with 100,000+ troops. The only solution I can think of is to create a super army of 20,000 and cut down the horde, while having Zhao Yun lead the other 20,000 from Jiang Ling south to take Jin Xuan.

Thanks for your reply. I’ll focus on what you suggested.

[SleepingDragon4444]

I got further after starting with events off.
I took Wan at the very beginning, after a huge battle. I managed to win a ceasefire with Cao Cao, and turned south and took Liu Biao’s land the Zhao Fan’s. I had all of Jingzhou, and allied to Sun Quan. Sun Quan took down Shi Xie, and then Liu Zhang. Ma Teng sheepishly surrendered to Cao Cao, which would cause problems.

I felt fairly secure. I had a big ally, and a big enough force to have plenty of supplies and gold. When the ceasefire ended, I marched on Xu Chang, and took it after a huge battle. Cao Cao then counterattacked, and I defended Xu Chang against 250,000+ troops for a six month struggle.

After tying up most of Cao Cao’s solid troops, and almost all of his solid commanders, I wanted to see how many cities Sun Quan took, since I made it easier for him.

Not only had Sun Quan not taken any cities, but Cao Cao had taken Jian Ye, Wu, and Zi Tong. The geographical advantaged Wu had were gone. Sun Quan managed to lose at every front, despite my efforts. Cao Cao attacked Xu Chang again, and while I beat back the first two waves, Cao Cao took Lu Jiang and Cheng Du. I decided my chances were not good enough.

I’m going to replay the 190 scenario as Liu Bei, just to feel the overpowered strength again. After that, I’m going to switch to medium difficulty, and try the three visits again, with the events on, this time.

Maybe then Sun Quan will not be totally incompetent.

[Vin362]

One thing that hurts the Three Kingdoms factions (Wei, Shu and Wu) is the amount of officers they have I’m sure you noticed that if you started as Liu Bei you have a deficit, what compounds this problem is the officers aren’t spread out evenly with game preferring a forces capital to frontline cities, it is possible to bankrupt a faction by taking cities and having the officer salary drain their income to the point they will start expelling anyone who isn’t kin or has a special bond.

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by Vin362:

One thing that hurts the Three Kingdoms factions (Wei, Shu and Wu) is the amount of officers they have I’m sure you noticed that if you started as Liu Bei you have a deficit, what compounds this problem is the officers aren’t spread out evenly with game preferring a forces capital to frontline cities, it is possible to bankrupt a faction by taking cities and having the officer salary drain their income to the point they will start expelling anyone who isn’t kin or has a special bond.

I’m going to add that to my strategy.
I spend the pre-Chibi period doing investigations just to break even. Maybe Cao Cao can be harmed the same way.
My big issue now is whether to go for Xiangyang first, or sourhern Jing.

[SleepingDragon4444]

I finally completed it, but now only on normal difficulty, with reloading a couple of times.
Still, taking down Cao Cao in that scenario is brutal, even with Liu Bei’s super-powered retainers.
Thanks for your help, guys.

The key is taking southern Jing, then Liu Biao, and Liu Zhang’s territories ASAP.
Also, it’s good to avoid fighting east of Chang An, and West of Runan. Trying to attack up the middle, or through Hong Nong and Luoyang, is too tedious and difficult. It’s best to try and tie those troops down with some of your own, by taking a defensive position at Chang An and Wan. You can take Wan very early, but it’s not a good idea to press further.

Cao Cao had conquered Sun Quan, so I first drove him from Yang, then took Liang and Chang An, the struck at Runan, Xiaopei, Xia Pi, and Langye. Worked much better than trying to go through Hong Nong, or straight from Wan to Xu Chang.

[Azur lane enjoyer]

The best way to beat this scenario is Attack cao cao at the start
take Runan fast as you can and go through to Shouchun xiapi langye beihai
complete event and get zhuge liang take all officer money supplies to beihai establish there
recover your troops and go take northern china
execute every useless officer or loyal to cao cao too much this will weaken cao cao a lot
abandon south bcz it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid to remain surround by 4 side
Finnish cao cao and ma teng
Leave Liu zhang alone bcz he is super weak you can deal with him in late game
after secure han zhong and shouchun as your border go jiang take every city and finish WU
anahilate Cheng du and end the game

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by อีเป็ดขี้บ่น:

The best way to beat this scenario is Attack cao cao at the start
take Runan fast as you can and go through to Shouchun xiapi langye beihai
complete event and get zhuge liang take all officer money supplies to beihai establish there
recover your troops and go take northern china
execute every useless officer or loyal to cao cao too much this will weaken cao cao a lot
abandon south bcz it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid to remain surround by 4 side
Finnish cao cao and ma teng
Leave Liu zhang alone bcz he is super weak you can deal with him in late game
after secure han zhong and shouchun as your border go jiang take every city and finish WU
anahilate Cheng du and end the game

Awesome Idea. If I go through that scenario again, I’ll definitely take that path.
Would you happen to have any experience with the 208 scenario, where you are in Jiang Xia, right before Chibi?

[Virsia]

or you could let chi bi happen for this you need to complete series of event you will end up in jiang xia and battle of chi bi will begin and as story progress zhuge liang will take jianing for you and given control over it, then from there proceed to lay waste to liu zhang and conquer up to nanman territory then you can choose to proceed north into chang an and defeating ma teng historically or proceed east to lay waste sun quan.

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by Virsia:

or you could let chi bi happen for this you need to complete series of event you will end up in jiang xia and battle of chi bi will begin and as story progress zhuge liang will take jianing for you and given control over it, then from there proceed to lay waste to liu zhang and conquer up to nanman territory then you can choose to proceed north into chang an and defeating ma teng historically or proceed east to lay waste sun quan.

How do you keep Cao Cao off of you during that time?

[Virsia]

very simple just defend xin ye do not expand and capture any city just hold xin ye, forget everything else you need liu biao help so get that diplomacy with him and keep it that way until chi bi fires, keep in mind that Cao Cao will be heavy on calvary so archer only for holding gates you need spearman and I think zhang fei are one of the greatest spearman general available, just make sure that he did not get surrounded, keep Guan Yu using horse for pincer attack Liu Bei should stay back behind those two since he is bad leader and he is most likely is battle commander and only good using archer everything like B on him. you need to do three visit as quickly as you can and do not delay if you can hold xin ye long enough there is a high chance Cao Cao using his western reserve sending Luo Yang and Chang An soldier that will trigger AI Ma Teng to invade Cao Cao if Cao Cao using his eastern army Sun Quan will invade him, you main objective is to survive the onslaught after first wave Cao Cao army will start to be low in number like sending 3k to 5k at a time..

[SleepingDragon4444]

Originally posted by Virsia:

very simple just defend xin ye do not expand and capture any city just hold xin ye, forget everything else you need liu biao help so get that diplomacy with him and keep it that way until chi bi fires, keep in mind that Cao Cao will be heavy on calvary so archer only for holding gates you need spearman and I think zhang fei are one of the greatest spearman general available, just make sure that he did not get surrounded, keep Guan Yu using horse for pincer attack Liu Bei should stay back behind those two since he is bad leader and he is most likely is battle commander and only good using archer everything like B on him. you need to do three visit as quickly as you can and do not delay if you can hold xin ye long enough there is a high chance Cao Cao using his western reserve sending Luo Yang and Chang An soldier that will trigger AI Ma Teng to invade Cao Cao if Cao Cao using his eastern army Sun Quan will invade him, you main objective is to survive the onslaught after first wave Cao Cao army will start to be low in number like sending 3k to 5k at a time..

Great. Thanks a lot. Going to give it s go again as soon as I finish my Sun Jian Campaign.