Diao Chan doesn't appear

[asapas]

Hello. I would like to ask a question. i am trying to make Lu Bu flee from Dong Zhuo before he kills him ( Anti-Dong Zhuo coalition), but i cannot find Diao Chan anywhere. When i go to select an officer, she appears as a 15 year old free officer in Luo Yang. But when i search for her, i cannot find her. Thus, i cannot use her in the custom event in which i want her to flee along with Lu Bu and marry him. Except from this, when i wait to appear until 193 (when she is 17), she doesn't appear! Is this normal??I mean there are other officers that i can see in the year 190,and they are 14 year old! Do you know if the event in which Wang Yun uses her IS NECESSARY FOR HER TO BE PLAYABLE IN THE GAME??? Please help

[ianliew]

As far as I know she doesn't appear as a playable character until the second event, where Dong Zhuo dies. Even after Wang Yun introduces her she's still nowhere to be found.

[carlon89]

Yeah I had the same problem I created an event with Lu Bu where he goes south after killing Dong Zhuo instead of East and takes over Zhang Lu’s force and I had Diao Chan in the cast but she doesn’t appear until after the event has happened and Dong Zhuo is already dead so I had to replace her with civilian(female) and it triggered fine.

[asapas]

So the only way for Diao Chan to appear in this scenario (Anti Dong Zhuo coalition), is only to trigger the event in whick Dong Zhuo dies???

[asapas]

So, she appears in 194! Now, i have put it in historical force trend, and i am trying to see what triggers the Lu Bu creation event, so to have him with a force and at the same time, Dong Zhuo want to revenge him marrying Diao Chan! If anyone knows please help

[Virsia]

to trigger love triangle Wang Yun, Li Jue, must be alive and in same force with Dong Zhuo, player must not be wang yun or cai yong.

in my opinion you can save others than Dong Zhuo, Li Ru and Li Su, like Dong Bai, Dong Min, etc.

why you wanted to save dong Zhuo any way? if you save him Emperor Xian will stay in Chang An, battle of tong Gate will never happen, Ma Teng never get summoned to capital, and when Cao2 doesn't held Emperor Xian Battle of Bai Ma never occur, Chi Bi will be a dream and there will be no three visit, Liu Bei will stuck at Ping Yuan, mostlikely getting hammered by Yuan Shao and will never aid Tao Qian.

[asapas]

Liu Bei doesn't stay in Ping Yuan the event in which he occupies Xiao Pei is normally happening, the same with the Yuan Shu's / Sun Ce ones in which Wu is created. I just wanted Dong Zhuo alive clashing with Lu Bu, while hating him for marrying Diao Chan and someway play my role into all of this.I have also created some custom events in which Lu Bu tricks Liu Bei and takes Xia Pi from him, but i don't know if it will trigger now that Lu Bu has taken Zhang Yang's force (pink) ,and doesn't have his own (black) But i noticed that the event that lu Bu force is created in Pu Yang is not happening.I tested it and normally it is to happen one or two months after Liu Bei occupies Xiao Pei to defend Tao Qian from Cao Cao (it is approximately at mid-late 193). So, I tried to move all his subordinates in Zhang Yang ( Hou Cheng, Wei Xu, Zhang Liao etc.), earlier to see if his force (in black colour) will happen but it doesn't. I think it has to do with Diao Chan being available and married to Lu Bu. In 193, the game hasn't created her yet. She ''generates'' in 194. So, the event cannot happen.
So, instead i created one that kills Zhang Yang and puts Lu Bu in charge, then created one that moves Lu Bu (manually) in Xiao Pei, and so i managed what i wanted from the beggining. Having Lu Bu in central plains, fighting with Cao Cao and Liu Bei (and Kong Zhou to whom Cao Cao doesn't attack until 195 for a reaseon i don't know) , Dong Zhuo is alive in the West. The only difference is that Lu Bu's force colour is now pink instead of black, but this is minor in front of what i've been through to reach this result... how many times i tested it and waited it out from 190 to 195 to see what will happen, what clashes with what etc.

[Virsia]

ohh so you want old style combat rather than Dong Zhuo being killed in Chang An? with historical trend AI tend to not move though and destroy certain faction until it's the time to destroy them.

[asapas]

Yes it's far more convenient to make these custom events to work normally when the force trend is historical.(However, in historical i don't know if your interference plays a role as to who attacks who, because as far as i know it is 'hardcoded' or something.AI might attack you all the time, simply because it won't attack a neighbour just for the event to happen later.)When i put this to fictional forces tend to expand faster and randomly, as a result events won't trigger easily (such as Yuan Shu ones, founding of Wu etc). I think that in general, fictional trend is not for using with custom events.
By the way, do you have any ideas for custom events to make the game fun???(and the scenario they would happen). I want to maximize the event creator usage as you see ;p

[Virsia]

ic? my Idea is making own story, you know there is like something like three visit I just add some event like Zhuge liang actually recommend my created char to be recuited by liu bei.

you can just join Yellow turban and make event that you can choose to defect to He Jin later, just for sake of messing around, you have your own character life to fill so make things interesting, use imagination.

most event I add is not major but just to fill the gaps between event so it's not become stale and boring.

[Virsia]

the thing is if Koei want character to have bond at least make AI to be actively pursue that goal, it's stupid that it's only you as player who has ambition, everything else seems lacking initiative.

if this is going to feel like rpg at least be kind enough to make it more Immersive, like when you play as women when you get pregnant you temporary lower your stats, making you more likely to die if defeated, the thing is many other officer doesn't have children this making game less dynamic.

it's also weird to see women take charge in society that mainly patriachal, I want to feel how is it like to support your spouse in his carrer, not playing as 2 AD feminist lady.

I want to play as individual playing her role in larger picture, it's sad that in every play trhough i need to take control everything, I want to control my own army lead by my own character, following the flow of battle and supposedly do support, vanguar rear guard etc, why always become commander when there is other competent higher rank officer in the field.

the 10 vs 10 battle also annoying, war is not fair, sometimes I just rage on how the battle was like reinforcement keep appearing there is no end of that, this is not immersive at all.

[asapas]

Is this for real? other officers don't have children? I have spent a loooot of time trying to implementate all my created scenarios in the game with a way for it to feel both real and guided by the events at the same time, and its a very tough situation to handle. Finally i've managed to make some things (such as create optional events in place of the originals, for example Lu Bu to follow Cao Cao or Liu Bei with a possibility, or if this do not happen, then die in a next event which will also happen with a possibility, or else Lu Bu lives with his own force), but i think the game tends to break the events, especially with the fictional force trend. I think that it's very difficult to trigger events with this option. On the other hand, if you select historical trend, i don't know to what extend you can change things here and there, things that seem to be guided from the game code.

[Virsia]

other officer cannot have children like custom children we player own, they have so called foster Daughter or Son, opposite of your character gender, so generally I find son, even Lu Bu son, as weird as it might sound lu bu son is like zhang Fei a lot, hulky and brawny.

do not put optional since it may differ unless you have branch scenario supporting it, I like if the game make it's own plot like cheng gong try to rebel out of discontent or whatever, in the game officer all is loyal there is no rivalry, no one trying to mess you up, there has to be slander option and Ai can also do the same to you, or try to assasinate you because you're their rival, this is politics not all is black and white sometimes it's about playing dirty.

[asapas]

I mean optional events, in which you choose the outcome. there are not many of them, 2 or 3 i think. But i tend to use them (custom i mean), because i want to intervene to history somehow, as well as using the historical events. All the things you mentioned, happen both with historical force trends and with fictional? I mean when you put it in historical trend, game might 'break' from the historical route right?? But all officers actions are random or not??I mean they are such as for the historical route to happen, or happen randomly, and it might 'break' the history?

[Virsia]

Originally posted by asapas:

I mean optional events, in which you choose the outcome. there are not many of them, 2 or 3 i think. But i tend to use them (custom i mean), because i want to intervene to history somehow, as well as using the historical events. All the things you mentioned, happen both with historical force trends and with fictional? I mean when you put it in historical trend, game might 'break' from the historical route right?? But all officers actions are random or not??I mean they are such as for the historical route to happen, or happen randomly, and it might 'break' the history?

this is supposedly "Simulation" meaning it is how it supposed to be, in simulation things do happen, if you want to do it as historically accurate as possible play hero mode, main game supposedly offer alternate history which everything interact to each other.