Will Sui Generis still come out?

[Cato Sicarius]

I'm definetely losing all hope by now

[Jean Valjean]

Originally posted by CT Forced Jaketh:

They already have your money lol

And ?

[[CT] Forced Jaketh]

Originally posted by Jean Valjean:

Originally posted by CT Forced Jaketh:

They already have your money lol

And ?

And why would they care what you have to say.

[NonverbalShoe]

Originally posted by CT Forced Jaketh:

And why would they care what you have to say.

Bare Mettle would care about customer opinions because they want more money, abandoning a product and its IP just to avoid paying programmers to finish a game that was promised is a low-tier rug pull that can only be done once since it would burn the company's reputation instantly. Bare Mettle could make more money from DLC purchases, the other types of thaumaturgy could be cut off from Exanima/Sui Generis and sold separately if the owner is unwilling to pay for new levels being programmed.

Why toss aside Exanima/Sui Generis when you can "remaster" it a dozen times like Bethesda did with Skyrim's many versions? Bare Mettle could even introduce paid mods in the Steam workshop or sell transmogs for in-game armor. Abandoning a game is an inefficient way of burning reputation for cash and is only done when there are no other options, Madoc could just sell the company right now if he's desperate and the new owners would definitely drain every last bit of blood from the IP before abandoning it.

[[CT] Forced Jaketh]

Have you ever worked in management in a business before? lol

You've gone off track making it about a group of people and then the future of the game.

They have no reason to care about his opinion once they got his money 8 years ago. Once the game is released most people who havent moved on or forgotten about it will come back anyway. They will then move on to their next game and new customers they'll look to acquire.

Do you think people are going to boycott the game or ask for mass refunds because a guy with the profile name of Stalins Biggest Fan is annoyed its taking too long to come out hahahaha.

[NonverbalShoe]

Originally posted by CT Forced Jaketh:

Have you ever worked in management in a business before? lol

You've gone off track making it about a group of people and then the future of the game.

They have no reason to care about his opinion once they got his money 8 years ago. Once the game is released most people who havent moved on or forgotten about it will come back anyway. They will then move on to their next game and new customers they'll look to acquire.

Do you think people are going to boycott the game or ask for mass refunds because a guy with the profile name of Stalins Biggest Fan is annoyed its taking too long to come out hahahaha.

I am saying there are better ways of bleeding customers of their cash than a sudden rug pull in the middle of the night, Bare Mettle's long and arduous struggle to build up an image as the "good guys" over a decade has monetary benefits attached to their apparent undermonetization. Today a critical mass of fanboys have developed that will defend this IP to the death against its detractors as long as the IP is not discarded. This means Bare Mettle can finally start introducing microtransactions alongside the promised multiplayer feature and a vocal minority will loudly drown out the backlash while continuing to provide free advertising online. I found Exanima because it was recommended to me on Steam by other people so user opinions do actually matter for smaller games like this, it's not FIFA or Madden as of right now so the pawns are still necessary due to the lack of momentum.

Everybody in the video game industry wants to make the next Apex Legends or Skyrim but you need massive amounts of advertising for that, Stalin's Biggest Fan's opinion matters only because they speak out so that is why they must either be reeducated with pro-developer propaganda or sent to Gulag. If even one person reads a negative review and decides to hold off on spending from their Steam wallets that is a loss of profit and stingy people like me always look through complaints before a purchase.

[Lurker]

Originally posted by NonverbalShoe:

Originally posted by CT Forced Jaketh:

Have you ever worked in management in a business before? lol

You've gone off track making it about a group of people and then the future of the game.

They have no reason to care about his opinion once they got his money 8 years ago. Once the game is released most people who havent moved on or forgotten about it will come back anyway. They will then move on to their next game and new customers they'll look to acquire.

Do you think people are going to boycott the game or ask for mass refunds because a guy with the profile name of Stalins Biggest Fan is annoyed its taking too long to come out hahahaha.

I am saying there are better ways of bleeding customers of their cash than a sudden rug pull in the middle of the night, Bare Mettle's long and arduous struggle to build up an image as the "good guys" over a decade has monetary benefits attached to their apparent undermonetization. Today a critical mass of fanboys have developed that will defend this IP to the death against its detractors as long as the IP is not discarded. This means Bare Mettle can finally start introducing microtransactions alongside the promised multiplayer feature and a vocal minority will loudly drown out the backlash while continuing to provide free advertising online. I found Exanima because it was recommended to me on Steam by other people so user opinions do actually matter for smaller games like this, it's not FIFA or Madden as of right now so the pawns are still necessary due to the lack of momentum.

Everybody in the video game industry wants to make the next Apex Legends or Skyrim but you need massive amounts of advertising for that, Stalin's Biggest Fan's opinion matters only because they speak out so that is why they must either be reeducated with pro-developer propaganda or sent to Gulag. If even one person reads a negative review and decides to hold off on spending from their Steam wallets that is a loss of profit and stingy people like me always look through complaints before a purchase.

I never heard them mention micro transactions tied to multiplayer, last I heard, they despise mt's.

[Jean Valjean]

Originally posted by Lurker:

Originally posted by NonverbalShoe:

I am saying there are better ways of bleeding customers of their cash than a sudden rug pull in the middle of the night, Bare Mettle's long and arduous struggle to build up an image as the "good guys" over a decade has monetary benefits attached to their apparent undermonetization. Today a critical mass of fanboys have developed that will defend this IP to the death against its detractors as long as the IP is not discarded. This means Bare Mettle can finally start introducing microtransactions alongside the promised multiplayer feature and a vocal minority will loudly drown out the backlash while continuing to provide free advertising online. I found Exanima because it was recommended to me on Steam by other people so user opinions do actually matter for smaller games like this, it's not FIFA or Madden as of right now so the pawns are still necessary due to the lack of momentum.

Everybody in the video game industry wants to make the next Apex Legends or Skyrim but you need massive amounts of advertising for that, Stalin's Biggest Fan's opinion matters only because they speak out so that is why they must either be reeducated with pro-developer propaganda or sent to Gulag. If even one person reads a negative review and decides to hold off on spending from their Steam wallets that is a loss of profit and stingy people like me always look through complaints before a purchase.

I never heard them mention micro transactions tied to multiplayer, last I heard, they despise mt's.

Yes, Maddoc has been pretty clear on microtransactions or even dlcs. That's not happening, and if he changes his mind and decides that it is, that's not gonna go well. I don't know what NonverbalShoe is trying to do with his slander.

[NonverbalShoe]

Originally posted by Jean Valjean:

Originally posted by Lurker:

I never heard them mention micro transactions tied to multiplayer, last I heard, they despise mt's.

Yes, Maddoc has been pretty clear on microtransactions or even dlcs. That's not happening, and if he changes his mind and decides that it is, that's not gonna go well. I don't know what NonverbalShoe is trying to do with his slander.

Presenting an argument in a Machiavellian framework is vital when the other side lacks the slightest trust in Bare Mettle's character, they will not take Madoc's word at face value for the same reason a conspiracy theorist will not believe the claims of a politician. Only presenting a superior scheme to the one they think is true, that being the Madoc runs away in the middle of the night with all the Kickstarter money "theory" can one defeat the argument that people are being deceived by the devs purely for their own self-interest.

Perhaps I am reading too much into the forum posts by trolls after seeing the typical early access complaints(I played since level 4 was end game), but the boiled frogs plan has far greater potential for profit than simply abandoning the game as many have claimed Madoc would over the years and it would have clear signs if it was true that the devs were in it purely for the money. We haven't seen NFT integration for Exanima as of today or any form of DLC so until they do that naysayers are stuck theorizing about some potential betrayal of trust happening in the future, but Exanima is a video game and not a cryptocurrency so they can't drum up fear so easily.

[Jean Valjean]

Originally posted by NonverbalShoe:

Originally posted by Jean Valjean:

Yes, Maddoc has been pretty clear on microtransactions or even dlcs. That's not happening, and if he changes his mind and decides that it is, that's not gonna go well. I don't know what NonverbalShoe is trying to do with his slander.

Presenting an argument in a Machiavellian framework is vital when the other side lacks the slightest trust in Bare Mettle's character, they will not take Madoc's word at face value for the same reason a conspiracy theorist will not believe the claims of a politician. Only presenting a superior scheme to the one they think is true, that being the Madoc runs away in the middle of the night with all the Kickstarter money "theory" can one defeat the argument that people are being deceived by the devs purely for their own self-interest.

Perhaps I am reading too much into the forum posts by trolls after seeing the typical early access complaints(I played since level 4 was end game), but the boiled frogs plan has far greater potential for profit than simply abandoning the game as many have claimed Madoc would over the years and it would have clear signs if it was true that the devs were in it purely for the money. We haven't seen NFT integration for Exanima as of today or any form of DLC so until they do that naysayers are stuck theorizing about some potential betrayal of trust happening in the future, but Exanima is a video game and not a cryptocurrency so they can't drum up fear so easily.

Man, your deception was so good I fell for it, even though I thought myself pretty good with irony. Well done sir, well done. Under this new light I do agree with you. Would you like me to modify my previous comment ? Don't want to throw no shade.