Zweihander is actually overpowered

[SuperPinger]

Somebody made a discussion about how Zweihanders (Greatswords) were op. I agreed so much I decided to make my own discussion to bring some more attention. So, here we go:

1) Faster than any other weapon utilized by masters (makes sense tho)
2) Usually deals more damage than a poleaxe, can even sometimes deal more than a halberd
3) Like all other swords, can deal significant damage no matter the point of connection

So, even though it is quite expensive, I still think it's quite op since it is really fast and for some reason deals with plate armor VERY well. It's a bit shorter than polearms, but it doesn't really make a difference because you can deal damage with the whole blade, not one point, so you just go to almost point blank and start beating them. It's especially annoying to see it dealing a lot of damage while moving quite slowly, almost seems like a bug to me.

[Igthorn the Duke]

Diabetus Maximus původně napsal:

Ah, in multiplayer. That's a different story and remains to be seen. There are undoubtedly counter-tactics if one would face a sword in PvP. One could simply dodge out of the way while swinging against aggressive opponents or hit around their guard against defensive opponents, to name but 2 basic examples. Swords are predictable so dealing with them shouldn't be difficult. Axes/maces on the other hand...depends who's wielding them.

Another thing to note is that due to the sword's weight being spread out, a skill like Security will be much more effective against them(being able to attack while taking a weaker hit).

I just do not see how the fact that swords can be countered makes them weaker than other weapons. Other weapons can be countered by swords even better because of the speed advantage.
I agree, though, that weapons with heads can break through blocks more often than swords, but in this case it is better for a swordsman to use his speed and interrupt an attack with that of his.
And as someone has mentioned, sword have good thrusts, which most heave weapons do not (except halberds)

[Так называемый]

SuperPinger původně napsal:

Konrax původně napsal:

I feel like the face stab option available to pointy weapons is being missed completely here.

A stab to the face can do big damage at a long range, that can be fast as well.

This is why the short spear is a very real master level weapon when used with another weapon/shield.

I don't think you can't face stab with a sword

you certainly can stab to the face with the zweihander.

[Runner Girl]

From my experience (which could be biased), I find that the very well balanced and sharp two-handed sword from Adept rank to be even better than the greatsword. It is faster, does a great deal of damage against even Master plate armor, with the only real draw back compared to the greatsword being a shorter range. I have been using it for awhile now and find it capable of downing most enemies with ease. Sure, it doesn't have the AP of a pole hammer, but it does quick work of enemies in Master.

[angrytrex]

Swords do not beat polearms due to speed because of the ability to swing through lesser attacks.

If the polearm guy is swinging with enough momentum, the faster sword hit wont stop the blow. Polearm guy loses 15% health. Sword guy loses 50% health It's especially true with the overheads.

[Runner Girl]

angrytrex původně napsal:

Swords do not beat polearms due to speed because of the ability to swing through lesser attacks.

If the polearm guy is swinging with enough momentum, the faster sword hit wont stop the blow. Polearm guy loses 15% health. Sword guy loses 50% health It's especially true with the overheads.

In most cases, a faster attack that hits hard enough can stun enemies, which in turn can stop the blow. Then again, in game, it's not as easy as playing a numbers game. There is a lot more than statistics that goes into the combat. No sword nor polearm does good technique beat.

[Kye476]

MindSliver původně napsal:

If you really want to kill things you skip the sword and go straight for the pole hammer. It takes more skill but is WAY more potent when you know how to line that head up with it's target.

Specially that left to right swing. I can make it to where my dude puts his back into it and it never ceases to stun them

[MindSliver]

End of the day, this is all speculation. We'll figure out what counters what when multiplayer arrives and then the meta-gaming can commence in earnest. As it stands it sounds like different camps have different theories and different favorites. Almost like there's some give and take, some positives and negatives... like things are almost... dare i say? balanced XD

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

MindSliver původně napsal:

End of the day, this is all speculation. We'll figure out what counters what when multiplayer arrives and then the meta-gaming can commence in earnest. As it stands it sounds like different camps have different theories and different favorites. Almost like there's some give and take, some positives and negatives... like things are almost... dare i say? balanced XD

Well said dude. No doubt some sword users would beat axe/mace users and, of course, vice-versa. The whole thing depends on way too many variables.

[Runner Girl]

Diabetus Maximus původně napsal:

MindSliver původně napsal:

End of the day, this is all speculation. We'll figure out what counters what when multiplayer arrives and then the meta-gaming can commence in earnest. As it stands it sounds like different camps have different theories and different favorites. Almost like there's some give and take, some positives and negatives... like things are almost... dare i say? balanced XD

Well said dude. No doubt some sword users would beat axe/mace users and, of course, vice-versa. The whole thing depends on way too many variables.

I know that someone will be bold and brave enough to fight naked with pugilist gloves Dark Souls style.

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Valkyrie ツ původně napsal:

I know that someone will be bold and brave enough to fight naked with pugilist gloves Dark Souls style.

Most definitely. I'd bet there would be some using a broom, too.

[MindSliver]

Diabetus Maximus původně napsal:

Valkyrie ツ původně napsal:

I know that someone will be bold and brave enough to fight naked with pugilist gloves Dark Souls style.

Most definitely. I'd bet there would be some using a broom, too.

I'm going hard core duel wielding fire-poker/dust-pan.

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

MindSliver původně napsal:

I'm going hard core duel wielding fire-poker/dust-pan.

I'd dual-wield spoons, forks or table knives if the former 2 aren't possible.

[Rolan McDolan]

Personally, i find the Pole Hammer to be WAY more OP than the Zweihander.

The Pole Hammer can deal with enemies at a huge range with little to no resistance, as wide swings generally land on a blind spot of the opponent, resulting in a bloody mess, even when fighting fully armored foes.