Remove red HP bar OR make Elimination SHORTER

[Operator]

So I decided to try this on my friends PC, and thank god I did. nothing about this game is fun. the combat is broken and clunky, the AI gets lucky head shots while I hack away at the shins and side of them. the elimination rounds are just broken and boring. the HP system is broken and boring, the wound system is broken and boring, forcing you NOT to play your main character you care about but some one you DON'T

Give us an option to disable or remove the max HP option, the red bar is BORING and unfair in every way I can discibe, give us away to REDUCE the AI damage as they are always perfect in their swings and do maximum damage, along with lucky head shots you will never get.

[Operator]

Actually got anotehr peice to add. WHY does your character ALWAYS swing at the SHINS! FIX THAT! there is NO excuse there is NO reason for it to exist.

[fracs]

no

[Tony]

Hmm can't say I agree with this. Elimination matches give quite a bit of experience and also a high payout in compensation for having to do several matches in a row (more risk for more reward). I tend to find eliminations quite easy and don't have any problems targeting where I'd like to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraZrqT_83s

The AI has no advantages over the player and abides by the exact same rules. If anything I'm looking forward to more AI improvements to make them challenging again. The unfair advantages which you are requesting for the player will never be added since the devs go out of their way to make sure the player and NPCs abide by the same rules.

Most of this sounds like a rant from someone who is inexperienced and doesn't fully understand how the mechanics work or what is going on. Just because you dislike a system doesn't necessarily mean that it is broken and/or not functioning well.

[Operator]

I'm frustrated becuase I WANT to enjoy this game, I really do, the arena is a really cool gladiator simulator, and when the game works it works and feels good. when it doesn't it's enraging.

Unfortunatly what you said is a lie tony. if it was indeed fair. then the AI would start with reduced HP in the elimination rounds as well. this is a plain simple fact, that they are not fair, their pay out is not nearly high enough if they keep the current system as they are border line impossible. the AI has a much higher hit change as it is AI AI is always going to be smarter and faster than a human when given the same amount of tools.

You are not a good example of the combat system, especially in that video as you ahve good weapons and good armor and skills. in this games starting mode it is BORING, and the grind is a SLOG. it is not fun.

The rest system is also broken as it is not fun using a character you don't care about while waiting LANGTHY amountso f time for your character that you do care about, to heal.

The hit system is also disfunctional as it has you swinging at the AI's shins while they will hit you with lucky head shots every chance they get, you will also swing short or miss randomly. stabbing is USLESS as your arm is apprently made of jelly and your character is nearsighted.

PS the video you posted is null and void as it is using actual weapons, good weapons. not a effing stick. the grind in arena mode is stupidly long and jsut boring, I resorted to a cheat engine to add a bit of money to actually have fun ! the grind to get good weapons or play with AI is stupidly long and boring, to actually enjoy the game you msut first not enjoy it by grinding through it.

[Operator]

I have used Alt f4 more times in this game cause of BS deaths due to the randomized attacks than anything.

[NachoDawg]

Captain's log: We've found out the reason behind the world wide salt-crises. Turned out a steam user has been hoarding it to himself all this time.

No man, I'm sorry to say it, but you just suck. I don't think you will find anyone here who agrees with you. The game has a steep learning curve, and you need to put in the hours (and read the fricken texts that explain the game mechanics). Whining and crying is not going to help. Definitely not when a mod came out to help you and you just call him a liar, then double-post with more crying.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Operator:

I'm frustrated becuase I WANT to enjoy this game, I really do, the arena is a really cool gladiator simulator, and when the game works it works and feels good. when it doesn't it's enraging.

The game does work as intended 99.9% of the time but it may not seem like it to a new player that doesn't have much experience or understand why things happen as they do (which is where a lot of the frustration comes from). The more experience you have the more the game will make sense and the less seemingly random the outcome will be. It's not really fair to blame the game for this initial lack of comprehension though; almost every new player struggles at first until they gain some experience and better understanding, until they get past the rather steep learning curve. A tutorial is being worked on and it will be included in the next update which should help lessen the learning curve a bit.

Originally posted by Operator:

Unfortunatly what you said is a lie tony. if it was indeed fair. then the AI would start with reduced HP in the elimination rounds as well. this is a plain simple fact, that they are not fair, their pay out is not nearly high enough if they keep the current system as they are border line impossible. the AI has a much higher hit change as it is AI AI is always going to be smarter and faster than a human when given the same amount of tools.

The rest system is also broken as it is not fun using a character you don't care about while waiting LANGTHY amountso f time for your character that you do care about, to heal.

The hit system is also disfunctional as it has you swinging at the AI's shins while they will hit you with lucky head shots every chance they get, you will also swing short or miss randomly. stabbing is USLESS as your arm is apprently made of jelly and your character is nearsighted.

PS the video you posted is null and void as it is using actual weapons, good weapons. not a effing stick. the grind in arena mode is stupidly long and jsut boring, I resorted to a cheat engine to add a bit of money to actually have fun ! the grind to get good weapons or play with AI is stupidly long and boring.

Accusing me of lying doesn't make it so just as simply stating that something is broken because you dislike it or don't understand it doesn't make it so. Concerning elimination matches the rules of it are you're facing five consecutive opponents without a chance to heal in between which is the entire point; it's a gauntlet so to speak. You start out with full health just like all opponents start out with full health and you are the only opponent each fighter is facing (which is how a gauntlet functions, one vs. all). If you could heal in between the elimination matches it would be the exact same as just fighting individual duels and it would defeat the purpose of elimination matches existing in the first place.

The AI does not have a much higher chance to successfully land a strike or target a specific region and they are not more proficient at fighting than a human player. Both players and NPCs are being run through the exact same simulation, use the exact same control scheme and Bare Mettle have even added realistic human reaction times for the NPCs. In almost every match I participate in I emerge unscathed which is only possible if I'm landing strikes while my opponent is not. I can defeat an opponent that is wearing full plate armor and using the best quality weapon whilst I'm not wearing anything at all and using the worst weapon possible (a stick, a metal rod, a rusty sword, my bare fists... anything) because the NPC AI simply can't understand and react all of the ways in which a real human can.

I'm not attempting to be rude when I say this but nearly all of the negative points you've listed so far are based off not understanding how things function in the game and are simply false. If you're constantly hitting their shins it's because you don't understand the mechanics very well and you're causing the character to do so. The same applies to thrusts: if you aren't landing effective thrusts it's because you're not using them very well, not because they are inherently weak. It is possible to one-shot someone with a single thrust to an exposed area.

Concerning healing in the arena one of the upcoming hirelings is a healer which will speed up the healing process between fights.



Here's a video of me fighting using a rusty two-handed sword (the worst type found in the game) and no armor yet doing just fine despite giving my opponents a clear advantage of having better gear/weapons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DopzaDo7Gbg

(that was an older build from a year ago in which thrusts hadn't been added yet and didn't have the improved animations/footwork)

As you can see it's not gear that determines the outcome and the AI doesn't have any advantages over a human player concerning proficiency, targeting, movement, reaction times or anything else. I can repeat the results of the videos I posted above time and time again because the outcome isn't determined by luck or randomness, it's determined by player skill and how well the player understands the mechanics of the game.

[madrobot10092]

Do you know how to aim your attacker higher? No. Do you only use slash attacks? Maybe that's why you are hitting shins. Are you not using footwork to your advantage? Maybe that's why you are giving the AI a chance to hit you with "lucky hits". This game is fine with it's combat system. Your character is dependent on your controls at all times. You are making his/her arms look like jelly, you make him/her miss, it is all you man. Tony is correct, you are on the same grounds as an NPC.

I can do just fine beating the crap out of a plate armored man with a quarterstaff in Exanima. Yet that AI has plenty of skills at his disposal that I don't have. I live a life where I try to give myself handicaps so I can perform better without them!

[Operator]

Dude seriously space, I really don't care "how you live your life" you are a guy on the internets, anyways. this is starting to sound like a cult game like dark souls, where all its flaws are passed off as gameplay and the players including the admins are blind to it. I'm glad I didn't buy this game and I will continue to not recomend it to any one I come across.

Again Ai will always be smarter than a human given the same tools, they will always be able to calculate a better swing than you using the engine, they willl aways have maximum power, that is just how they are programed, never once in this game have I been struck by the Ai for lite damage, it is always a massive chuck out of my HP bar, while it takes me five to six hits to kill them.

You are right about one thing tony this game leaves a bitter taste in any new players mouth and will cause them to refund the game, this is a good job on the devs part. including the "comunity"

More often than anything on theseforum posts I see other members insulting the "lack of skill" in someone simply cause they do not like the shield mechanics, or waiting to play while their character heals. this forum is more toxi than LoL a game I quit long ago.

[madrobot10092]

The AI doesn't have any advantages over you. They are supposed to function like a human is controlling them Operator. I don't have any problems killing the Artificial Intelligence like you do. You just aren't controlling the character the way you want to control it. Instead of just whining about the flaws you speak about, why don't you just ask for suggestions like other players do?

[Tony]

Originally posted by Operator:

Dude seriously space, I really don't care "how you live your life" you are a guy on the internets, anyways. this is starting to sound like a cult game like dark souls, where all its flaws are passed off as gameplay and the players including the admins are blind to it. I'm glad I didn't buy this game and I will continue to not recomend it to any one I come across.

Again Ai will always be smarter than a human given the same tools, they will always be able to calculate a better swing than you using the engine, they willl aways have maximum power, that is just how they are programed, never once in this game have I been struck by the Ai for lite damage, it is always a massive chuck out of my HP bar, while it takes me five to six hits to kill them.

You are right about one thing tony this game leaves a bitter taste in any new players mouth and will cause them to refund the game, this is a good job on the devs part. including the "comunity"

More often than anything on theseforum posts I see other members insulting the "lack of skill" in someone simply cause they do not like the shield mechanics, or waiting to play while their character heals. this forum is more toxi than LoL a game I quit long ago.

Hmm is accusing people of being blind liars not a toxic behavior...? I know it is unpleasant to hear that one might be mistaken about something but flinging insults and falsehoods towards those you disagree with isn't exactly the best way to encourage civil discussion. Also, making demands (like in the thread title and the OP) is not the best way to have your suggestions taken seriously; if you actually want your suggestions to be taken into consideration I'd recommend using constructive criticism instead of making demands, especially when those demands are based off of very little actual experience with the game. Before constructive criticism(s) can be given it is necessary to understand how the game functions in the first place (which is what I was trying to help you do in my previous posts).

Again, if experienced players can 100% of the time defeat NPCs in the game it is a clear sign that the NPCs do not have an advantage, they are not smarter than a human in any way, shape or form which is demonstrated time and time again by experienced players defeating NPCs with little effort (and not vice versa). Even when you give the NPCs a clear advantage (better armor/weapons) an experienced player has little trouble defeating them since the NPCs don't always use optimum strikes with maximum power, they don't use varied tactics like a human player does (for example they don't curve overhand strikes), they are rather horrible at dodging attacks and taking advantage of openings... and the list goes on and on. Just because an inexperienced player doesn't yet understand why they are getting dominated by the NPCs doesn't mean that NPCs have some unfair advantage. All it proves is that the inexperienced player doesn't yet understand the mechanics so the NPCs can still outperform an inexperienced player.

Again, this game has an overall very positive rating so please don't put words into my mouth which I never wrote. I said most new players actually do like the game once they get past the steep learning curve which may be frustrating for some.

If this game isn't for you that's fine, move onto something else that does suit your tastes more but really no need to make arrogant demands, insult people and attempt to cause a flame war in forum for a game which you haven't even purchased; you have nothing invested in the game therefore nothing to lose by moving on.

[J. Bruh]

This guy sucks, why am I even commenting.

[Gozer]

Imagine Exanima as a high performance roadster and the OP as a teenager that has no idea how to drive a manual transmission other than what he knows from video games.

OP really wants to look cool cruising out of the parking lot, but this business with the clutch and stick ain't cool.

OP must now post what a POS this roadster is.

Like a freeway accident, I can't look away. It's almost insidious how BM has designed the beginning of the game to infuriate pompous fools.

[FalseChords]

OP, pick up a new instrument and try to play it. When you fail to play your favorite song with just a few hours of playtime and then go onto a forum to complain about how poorly designed the instrument is, you'll look like an absolute fool and will rightfully so get called out on your BS. The same logic applies with this game. Like an instrument, this takes a long time to learn. And like my example states, you look like an absolute fool.

And don't bring up that nonsense about the community being toxic. People post ignorant and uneducated rants about the game, the community calls them out on their BS, then they turn around and say the community is toxic? The logic is astounding.

[D.Cub3d]

Originally posted by Savior_of_Death:

OP, pick up a new instrument and try to play it. When you fail to play your favorite song with just a few hours of playtime and then go onto a forum to complain about how poorly designed the instrument is, you'll look like an absolute fool and will rightfully so get called out on your BS. The same logic applies with this game. Like an instrument, this takes a long time to learn. And like my example states, you look like an absolute fool.

And don't bring up that nonsense about the community being toxic. People post ignorant and uneducated rants about the game, the community calls them out on their BS, then they turn around and say the community is toxic? The logic is astounding.

Are you really surprised by his actions after reading any of his posts?

I don't think anyone will be upset the OP won't be getting the game.