Exanima

Exanima

d12ddd Jul 25, 2018 @ 8:32am
What's the deal with the "no-tip" two handed sword?
I just found it and I'm not sure how it differs from the regular two handed sword apart from damage and not having a tip. I know it has a lot of balance but i'm not sure what balance even does.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1451717178
Found it inthe arsenal of level 3 behind a locked door, the key was not far from it in a nearby room I believe
Originally posted by underm1nd:
Originally posted by S.:
Its a sword that basically has a balance of an axe in real world and the game.

No it doesnt. It has a very good balance. Thats its hole point. The description explains why.

Now to OPs question. It has the slash and balance of a great sword but the impact of a blunt weapon. At the expense of being useless at stabbing. And its totally worth it. Its very quick and very damaging. It cant really replace a great sword but its a very decent unique weapon.
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Don Kanaille Jul 25, 2018 @ 2:18pm 
Before you ask: People have asked before if this sword was a reference to the "Terminus est" sword, but the devs stated the similarities were just coincidence.
UR|Dialetheia Jul 25, 2018 @ 2:37pm 
Originally posted by S.:
Originally posted by UR|Dialetheia:

There's no "real version" of such a thing.
https://ask.metafilter.com/152416/A-fluidfilled-weapon-has-it-happened

"Liquid metal" is mercury fyi.

And the only worthwhile thing in the whole thread mentions indian decorative/ritual weapons with stylized "pearls" rattling along the lightning grove to "make an interesting sound". I don't think people really realize or even capable of appreciating the metallurgical know-how that's required to produce a *hollow* blade that is structuraly strong enough to be used more than once. And i won't even touch being able to contain mercury safely enough to put it into said hollow within said blade. It's barely possible even now, with computerized machining and ultra-precise stampings.

TL;DR: the blade is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ magic. People with delusions about it possibly being analogous to a real thing are delusional.
Riot Polizei Jul 25, 2018 @ 10:01pm 
The flat-tipped sword is the only weapon I haven't found in this game yet...

Man I need to get one that ASAP.
UltimatelynotQuite Jul 25, 2018 @ 10:44pm 
No deal, it's pointless.
underm1nd Jul 26, 2018 @ 2:35am 
Originally posted by UR|Dialetheia:

TL;DR: the blade is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ magic. People with delusions about it possibly being analogous to a real thing are delusional.

Yep, not to mention that the amount of liquid a hollowed out blade of this size would be able to hold without literally having paper thin walls wouldnt even register when you swing it around.

I dont even know why the guy kept arguing and providing "proof" that doesnt even support the credibility of his claims lol. Guess he really wanted it to be real. Its incredible to me how people would tell you to google something because they are so sure of it, but would never try to google it for themselves.
Last edited by underm1nd; Jul 26, 2018 @ 2:36am
Mtcheeeew Jul 26, 2018 @ 3:15am 
The sword was obviously inspired by the executioners sword which was weighted at the tip to make it top heavy so as to be able to take off a head in one swing; it basically swings like an axe due to its weight distribution.

The game exists in a fictional universe where thaumaturgy aka magic is possible, keep that in mind even though our world is the inspiration. Whether the sword has something inside that shifts to the top as it is swung (which makes sense) or not doesn't matter, whether there were real world counterparts to the game doesn't matter, unless you simply are looking for the information if such a sword exists/existed/has history. The devs have creative direction and as such are free to invent weapons as long as it makes logical sense, you do not have to constrain yourself to only what existed.

Final point, maybe there is one weapon, ceremonial even that was made,that is still enough to inspire any creative person to have an idea for their own version, it doesn't have to widely used or even battlefield worthy to inspire idea. If a proper weapon can have ceremonial versions created is it so difficult to imagine ceremonial ones having proper useable version?

Or maybe y'all just love arguing?who can tell with the undead
underm1nd Jul 26, 2018 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by afroVoodoo:
. If a proper weapon can have ceremonial versions created is it so difficult to imagine ceremonial ones having proper useable version?

Theres been alot of discussion about that sword over the years. Smiths, historians, martials artists have made videos on youtube answering.

There are a few main points to it. Stuff that even simple common knowledge can answer.

Is it possible to have a void filled with something in a sword? Yes. Is it possible to make the void big enough to actually result in any noticeable effect on the balance? No.

You see, to get the effect that the description of the sword mentions without magic, you literally need a sword shaped bottle. And even now we dont have a material strong enough to be able to act as a combat weapon with such a configuration. Not to mention that the ingame sword is not big enough to contain enough liquid without having paper thin walls. Without modern technology you wont even be able to make a functional prototype with paper thin walls. So its magic.

Also the ceremonial sword described in one of the sources has beads in the middle of it. Those beads are not there to change the balance of the weapon, but to make sounds when the thing is swung around during a ceremonial dance or something similar. Hence it has nothing to do with the sword featured in Exanima, not in design and certainly not in function.

I dont know why you decided to play devils advocate when we are talking about an object whos existence depends entirely on material science and physics. Some stuff can be debated, like is there alien life? Maybe. But was there a real liquid filled functional executioner sword? Absolutely not.
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Mtcheeeew Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:16am 
Please read my post again,whether such a sword exists in the real world or not,whether it is feasible in the real world or not does not matter to the game which exists in a fictional world with different technologies I.e. ability to harness some form of energy and apply it to different uses,helmet that allows you to see in the dark, orbs of light that never die, wall of electricity, powered suits of armor.

Hence like I said you may want to simply discuss it's historical points and or real world possibility, but it is pointless to argue whether the sword ingame is a valid addition to the game due to real world data. As example I said a sword whether real,discussed or theorized are all valid influences to creativity. Exanima is not and has never been or intended to reflect our history or our world, it is a world similar to us but not ours. They could have a metal that is mainly in liquid form or even solid that is dense enough that even in small quantities can be heavy,they could use thaumaturgy to make a small metal pebble weigh 10 times its weight. Mind you I am simply giving you an imaginary idea not giving a point of argument. Real life is inspiration,not a guide/ rule book
Last edited by Mtcheeeew; Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:27am
IspartaPratapon Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:27am 
The idea of the fluid-filled sword is likely because of The Book of the New Sun, where Severian bears Terminus Est for much of the books, described as a lavishly decorated executioner's sword that is 'light to raise, weighty to descend', both for metaphorical reasons and because it possesses a hollow channel within the spine of the blade filled with hydrargyrum (mercury.)

While, hypothetically, such a design could be created, it would be far too tedious to accomplish using the metalworking technology available in Examina's world - barring magic, of course, though in practical terms there's really no need. An ordinary sharpened sword is capable of delimbing or decapitating with a well-aligned cut. The executioner's sword is simply much more forgiving. If you need more cutting power than that, it's more efficient to use an axe or great whopping polearm instead.

(A bit of historical trivia : execution by beheading with a sword was generally considered a 'lesser' sentence than execution by beheading with an axe, because it had somewhat lesser chances of needing follow-up blows. The executed also had the benefit of dying on their knees, possibly praying, which was seen as more dignified than being shoved onto the headsman's block.)

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underm1nd Jul 26, 2018 @ 4:36am 
Originally posted by afroVoodoo:
it is pointless to argue whether the sword ingame is a valid addition to the game due to real world data.

No one ever discussed the validity of whether the sword is a good addition to the game or not. Thats why I was a little bit confused as to why you are defending it. All we were talking about was the existence of a real world example of the weapon.
Luzilyo Jul 26, 2018 @ 5:15am 
Originally posted by underm1nd:
Originally posted by afroVoodoo:
it is pointless to argue whether the sword ingame is a valid addition to the game due to real world data.

No one ever discussed the validity of whether the sword is a good addition to the game or not. Thats why I was a little bit confused as to why you are defending it. All we were talking about was the existence of a real world example of the weapon.
he might have missed the start of the discussion where someone explicitly claimed that such a sword existed in real life. so it is maybe just a misunderstanding.
Kyso4ek Jul 26, 2018 @ 10:40am 
Wow i ve just discovered it. it has 3.5 balamnce and 4 impact. its one of the best impact weapons in the game. It only doesnt have the range of some large weapons.

Does it still deal a bunch of impact damage when thrusting?
Last edited by Kyso4ek; Jul 26, 2018 @ 10:41am
Riot Polizei Jul 27, 2018 @ 2:30am 
I started a new character with the intention of grabbing this weapon, and holy moly was I missing out!

This is exactly the kind of weapon that breaks through the tough defences of higher level NPCs. You normally want higher impact weapons if you like crushing through parries and blocks, and this weapon does it while being as quick as a greatsword.

I got to the crossroads again, and was able to quite handily dispatch the dual-wielding master AIs. They can't reliably stop the weapon, and as a result, I can sneak in much more hits.

This weapon is amazing. It's going to be hard to keep myself from grabbing it each time...

Originally posted by Max Damage:
Wow i ve just discovered it. it has 3.5 balamnce and 4 impact. its one of the best impact weapons in the game. It only doesnt have the range of some large weapons.

Does it still deal a bunch of impact damage when thrusting?

Of the few "stabs" I landed with this weapon, I managed to do decent damage. The enemy let out a slightly-louder-than-normal yelp while the strike made a "thud" noise, so I'm thinking it's definitely impact damage when you stab with it.
Luzilyo Jul 27, 2018 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by Riot Polizei:
It's going to be hard to keep myself from grabbing it each time...
now the only question is, why would you even want to do that?
Riot Polizei Jul 27, 2018 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by Luzilyo:
now the only question is, why would you even want to do that?

Did you skip the part of my comment where I explained why it's my new favorite weapon? I'm very tempted to use it on all my future characters.
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