Looking for oil mechanics is still wrong.

[Symatrix Hill]

Now i hire some people to track some oil for me and here it is he say.Well i make pipe everyplace and i did not se any oil and lather the map start to expand and there it was.
- Eigther the map need to expand faster or maybe those people who look afther oil need to whait for the map to expand.
Basically i can not find any oil who is outside the map , that is impossible to track.This happend al the time.

Another example : If they spott oil and say : here it is down there " then the oil need to be down there " and not far away, do that make any sense !
This happend al the time too.

Those bad mechanics are still here from the first time the game was on the marked and that was long time ago hmm.

[:Radithol]

No, that doesn't make sense; if anything finding oil in the game is easier than irl. The dowsers will get you close but have a margin of error which is to be expected. It's a guy with a stick. The scanner will always show you exactly where the product is unlike irl where seismic data requires interpretation.

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by :Radithol:

No, that doesn't make sense; if anything finding oil in the game is easier than irl. The dowsers will get you close but have a margin of error which is to be expected. It's a guy with a stick. The scanner will always show you exactly where the product is unlike irl where seismic data requires interpretation.

Yes that make very sense : I make that post because the margin is far to much from time to time and that is only very bad mechanics.

That means : the guy whit the stick do not do what i pay them to do and i do not expect they gonne show me the oil at 100% either but like i say : sometimes they are to far away from the oil and that is very very irritating when i throw out pipe afther pipe in al direction very dense and sometimes i need to add mole and still i got bigg problem to find it and why , yes that is because he stay at the wrong spott.

Basically that mechanics sucks.

Dude i have play this game for year and i know what i am talking about so you may pay attention to the mechanics in the game before you start to defend it.

That mechanics should be fix years ago dude.

The same is it when they show me the oil long time before the oil is on the map and that sucks to because at that time i have use pipe everyplace and i still can`t find it and lather when the other part of the map popp upp then i find it , do you see my point here hmm or do you gonne defend that to.

Well i guess you did not notice that mechanics either.

[Gamious]

Hi,
We like the mechanics as they are right now. The dowser has a margin of error and that is shown by the conical green shape when he is searching. So the farther down the oil is, it might be more to the right or left.
Sometimes the oil is lower than where you can dig. That is true. You'll have to wait, prepare and dig quickly once you reach it later in the level.

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by Gamious:

Hi,
We like the mechanics as they are right now. The dowser has a margin of error and that is shown by the conical green shape when he is searching. So the farther down the oil is, it might be more to the right or left.
Sometimes the oil is lower than where you can dig. That is true. You'll have to wait, prepare and dig quickly once you reach it later in the level.

If they tell me : down there is the oil and the map is not maxed out yet so how do i gonne know when the map gonne be maxed out ?
Basically when i start upp the game and they show me the oil for the first time then you tell me to whait for the map to be maxed out.
Bud that is agenst al logic and to me it is just wrong mechanics who need to be changes.
They should show me the oil when the map is maxed out because now i got the oil on my map and not before the map is maxed out.


I do not like that mechanics where they say the oil is someplace down there and when i search down there then i find the oil to far away from the place he show me and that happen from time to time.
Basically you have make some few % there the margin of error is to much , i did not say al % but some few %.
And by the way when he show me the oil then the coical green shape should show on the map and not disappear.
Basically that green shape do not help me because i do not keep track on that shape when he searching because at that time i got much other stuff to keep track on and as you know many times we use 4-5-6-7 of those dowser who work at the same time to track oil on different spott.

I have play this game month afther month and year afther year and i know how it work and it is very easy to spott wrong mechanics when i pay attention to the game or the mechanics so i am very suprised you defending the mechanics by saying :i like it this way and you only need to whait and preper.
To me that do not make any sense and sorry about that and i hopes you understand my point.

And sorry my english.

[Gibibit]

There are 3 important rules for the dowsers when revealing an oil well.

1. Dowsers never reveal a well that you are already "mining".
   
2. Dowsers never reveal a well that has already been spotted by another dowser.
   
3. Dowsers prefer revealing oil wells that are higher up.

Because of the 3rd rule, if a discovered well is out of your current vision it means there are no more wells above your current vision.

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by 1000 Gibibit:

There are 3 important rules for the dowsers when revealing an oil well.

1. Dowsers never reveal a well that you are already "mining".
   
2. Dowsers never reveal a well that has already been spotted by another dowser.
   
3. Dowsers prefer revealing oil wells that are higher up.

Because of the 3rd rule, if a discovered well is out of your current vision it means there are no more wells above your current vision.

I know about al those rules and those rules do not help the mechanics issue i talking about.


1 :
Your % margine on the dowsers is to bigg from time to time when they say they have spott oil , basically they stay far away from the oil place. That mechanics need to be fixed a better way by doing some changes on the mathematic calculation.

2:
That is not fair when the dowsers say the oil is down here when i have throw pipe everyplace and spend alot of mony and alot of time and lather afther i have spend al those mony and use unnecessary time to track that oil then suddenly the map start to expand and now much lather i am able to track that oil and agen that is very wrong mechanics.

That is like : You have buy a bigg land area in the midt of the dessert and now you gonne make alot of mony on the water you know are there and this water give you a proffit like gold. So now you hire alot of expert to track the water and here it is they say and of course you have pay them alot of mony to hire them and search and lather many weeks and month you feeling they ftricked you and now you take the case to the court and there you lose the case just because the judge say : Of course you find water there but you need to whait for the rain so go home and prepare your self.
Do you see my point here and how wrong that is !

The drowser should not be able to tell : here is the oil before the oil popp upp on the map and as i say : how do i gonne know when the map start to expend , no way i kan know that and that is the same as the judge told you : Stay and be readdy because you do not know the nex time the rain gonne popp upp.
Basically you want me to gambel al the time and if i do not find the oil in one stages then you say: Well then you need to whait for the map to expand , do you see how wrong that mechanics is !

Agen i say : The drowsers can go and search but they need to whait for the map to expand and now they can show me the oil when the oil is on the map, do that make any sense for you!


3 :
The green search light should be there al the time and at least we al know the oil is placed on the green light and now it dosent matter where the oil is as long the oil is inside the green light.



Sorry my english agen and it is not easy for me to explane those issue when the grammer are the opposite to my contry but i hopes you take your time and read between the line ,-)

[esx9]

Originally posted by Symatrix Hill:

2:
That is not fair when the dowsers say the oil is down here when i have throw pipe everyplace and spend alot of mony and alot of time and lather afther i have spend al those mony and use unnecessary time to track that oil then suddenly the map start to expand and now much lather i am able to track that oil and agen that is very wrong mechanics.

How many times will you get fooled by that? After it happened to me the second time I already understood that the oil was below the map and I would have to wait for it. I actually love when this happens because it means I am ahead of the curve with my exploration. It's easy to recognize when the next oil might be beneath the map since the oil before it would be close to the bottom, it's not a surprise. You mentioned a mole before, but I would recommend you using a scanner for this situation.

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by esx9:

Originally posted by Symatrix Hill:

2:
That is not fair when the dowsers say the oil is down here when i have throw pipe everyplace and spend alot of mony and alot of time and lather afther i have spend al those mony and use unnecessary time to track that oil then suddenly the map start to expand and now much lather i am able to track that oil and agen that is very wrong mechanics.

How many times will you get fooled by that? After it happened to me the second time I already understood that the oil was below the map and I would have to wait for it. I actually love when this happens because it means I am ahead of the curve with my exploration. It's easy to recognize when the next oil might be beneath the map since the oil before it would be close to the bottom, it's not a surprise. You mentioned a mole before, but I would recommend you using a scanner for this situation.

You just missing the bigg point dude.


Yes you get fooled as you say but oly afther you have search everyplace then you understand " Ohh the oil is not on the map yet and now i get fooled AGEN " Hmm , do you understand my point now dude !!!

So how many times do we gonne get fooled ? I tell : As long the devs do not care about that mechanics we al gonne get fooled everytimes we start upp the game on each new oil area we are bidding on - on every map we are playing on , do that make any sense for you i guesss not.


Ohh so you happend to understod you got fooled on the second time as you just told , hmm i may think you are very very slow dude.
As you should probably know is when you get fooled the first time then your map almost 100% is empty for oil and if you still searching around the you probably waste your time and mony so basically afther the first time i stopp searching and now i need to whait and whait and whait and wh..... and ... and now i take a coca cola and then i eat some snacks and now i swap on my television ohh yes i got time to take my dog to the toilet as well, do you se how stupid this is to whait for something who is not on the map yet !!!!!


Ohh why did i not hink about that dude " The scanner " very smart comment and how did you know about that lol
Just tell me pl : How do i gonne get the scanner hmmm " I may need alot of mony and those mony i have not make yet and i also happend to know " before i buy that scanner i need alot of other stuff but that you probably did not think about " and as i say " in frustration i add mole to the search who gives more frustration """ because now i know the oil is not on the map yet """ and that i did not know because the map do not say " now the map soon gonne expend and you need to whait for the map to expand to track more oil so do not let al those dowsers fooling you agen "
And if you happen to have the scanner then dont use it because you only gonne waste your mony on that to.

Basically that mechanics sucks and to defend it do not make any sense at al and then say : to us it is ok.
To me that mean : We do not care so just get over it and deal whit it because we do not wanne spend any more mony on this game and as you know we like it this way.

If the system work like this then they should tell us and this way we do not waste time on this community.

( sorry my bad english by the way )

[Gamious]

Look,
instead of calling people slow when they react with a normal response to your 'rants'. You could also try a little restraint.
You don't like the mechanic. That is clear. You've made your point.
We do like it the way it is. And we're not going to change it. Hopefully you can adjust your playing style to accomodate the mechanic.

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by Gamious:

Look,
instead of calling people slow when they react with a normal response to your 'rants'. You could also try a little restraint.
You don't like the mechanic. That is clear. You've made your point.
We do like it the way it is. And we're not going to change it. Hopefully you can adjust your playing style to accomodate the mechanic.

I hopes you are resonable enough to not give me suspention because i do not agree whit you statement and as you know english is not my native language so i may have truble whit some grammer to.


He say to me "" How many times will you get fooled by that? "" as i not understand the game mechanics.
If i did not understand the game mechanics then i never ever make this post and so easy is that.
He should also know i only get fooled 1 times everytimes we start the oil search on a new area because that is what my post is about and if he knows that then he have not giving me that line.

He also say : ""After it happened to me the second time I already understood that the oil was below the map and I would have to wait for it "" Basically he say : he know it afther the second time and that you also should know by the second time and not keep searching like i was a little kidd who do not know how to play this game.
Basically he say : you are stupid who do not know that by second time as i am doing.
- Agen :He should know i only get fooled 1 times everytimes we start the oil search on a new area because that is what my post is about and if he knows that then he have not giving me that line either.

As far i know by those line he try to place me in a bad light or try to make me stupid and now you defending him because he loves your mechanics as he say and then you take your right as a devs to correct me by saying "instead of calling people slow when they react with a normal response to your 'rants'. You could also try a little restraint."

Before you start to attack me as a devs you need a real cause and not because of a word
" slow "afther he throw those line to me and that you should know.
And you should also know he did not i say it agen : he did not reach a hand out to help me.
As far i know he did place me in a bad light and by that he did reach a hand out to defend you mechanics issue who also you defend.


So here i got some question for you because of what you did say to me and by answer them i may get a better understanding what you are talking aboutbecause now i am pretty confused.


Question 1:
So Gamious what help did he give me by those two line as you told me ?
"" How many times will you get fooled by that? ""
""After it happened to me the second time I already understood that the oil was below the map and I would have to wait for it ""


Question 2 :
And what help did he gives me by this comment : "" How many times will you get fooled by that? After it happened to me the second time I already understood that the oil was below the map and I would have to wait for it. I actually love when this happens because it means I am ahead of the curve with my exploration. It's easy to recognize when the next oil might be beneath the map since the oil before it would be close to the bottom, it's not a surprise. You mentioned a mole before, but I would recommend you using a scanner for this situation."" ?

( as you know buying a scanner cost alot of mony and when you got that scanner and search afther the oil the dowsers have spotting for you long time before the map start to expand then you waste your mony everytimes you use the scannner to if you happend to have one. You also no you are ahead the game when the drowser can not spott any oil and now we just whait for the map to expand and that do not cost any extra )



You Gamious also say to me : "You don't like the mechanic. That is clear. You've made your point.
We do like it the way it is. And we're not going to change it."

- That i knows years ago bud when the game came out on the marked for first time but i got a little hope you devs have changes that by doing some adjustment just to improve the game mechanics who agen give people a better gaming experience and as you know most of the mechanics issue i whrite about is a very easy fix.

As i understand you clearly making your point by saying : we do not gonne spend any mony to fix any machanics issue in the game now and not in the future either and we just like it this way it is.

Well now we al know what we can expect now and in the future sadly but true.

( Agen sorry my english and grammer )

[Gamious]

Sorry you feel that way! But to be clear: we will continue to improve the game whenever we feel it is necessary.

[One Of Five]

Have you ever run a line from a previously established pipeline at a 45 degree down angle towards the area below where the dowser is pointing to intersect just below your current highest oil pocket and the dowser? Then you run that pipe down and never find oil??? I have done this only to find out after the game that the oil that dowser was point at was ABOVE the current highest oil pocket.

Maybe part of the problem your experiencing is because your not starting your search from a new rig or at a high enough elevation if your coming across from another rig?

[Symatrix Hill]

Originally posted by OneOfFive:

Have you ever run a line from a previously established pipeline at a 45 degree down angle towards the area below where the dowser is pointing to intersect just below your current highest oil pocket and the dowser? Then you run that pipe down and never find oil??? I have done this only to find out after the game that the oil that dowser was point at was ABOVE the current highest oil pocket.

Maybe part of the problem your experiencing is because your not starting your search from a new rig or at a high enough elevation if your coming across from another rig?

Dude ,al issue is still the mechanics and as the devs say they like everything the way it is and they do not wanne changes anything so far ( well if you did not know al this mecahnics issue have been here from the first time they got the game out for sale many years ago ).
Basically i am finish whit al this mechanics error or the case.

[Rhonda]

An easy way to bypass your problem:
When I reach the point, where dowsers become unreliable (because of depht and widened search angle) I hire a dowser to point me in the general direction of a pocket and then use the scanner to locate the exact position of the pocket. So, all the game mechanics for quickly finding a new pocket are in place - combine them.

The only one who is unreliable and mostly useless is the mole. I just use them to pick up diamonds.

[Gamious]

@Rhonda, Moles are actually quite essential in later levels with gas. And for diamonds too, of course :)