...So why are people bothered about Jontron again?

[Shypigeon]

He read out some stats on a livestream, what exactly is the problem?
I can understand people being upset he brought politics into a funny show, but it's kind of inevitable these days, but other than that, why are people spazzing out?

[erttheking]

Цитата допису Corneye:

Цитата допису erttheking:

You have not proved that they commit more crime. The very article that you posted gave a very different explination for why rich black men get arrested more, and you idly dismissed that because you had already drawn your own conclusion and you were just cherry picking the article. I'll gladly read some statistics that flat out say that rich black people commit more crime than poor white men, but you haven't provided me with one.

Wait, hold on:
Black people commit more crime than white per population: https://therationalists.org/2016/07/13/why-do-black-people-commit-more-crime/

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

[Shypigeon]

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису Corneye:

Wait, hold on:
Black people commit more crime than white per population: https://therationalists.org/2016/07/13/why-do-black-people-commit-more-crime/

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису Corneye:

"not everyone who commits a crime gets arrested"
But, rich black people commit more crime, and, as a result, get arrested
And poor white people commit less crime, and don't get arrested.

Black people are proven to be the majority in most crimes, aaaaaaand I've lost track of what I was trying to say.
Let's just ignore this bit and start again.

You have not proved that they commit more crime.

Oh, I thought you were just talking about any ordinary black bloke.

But the fact that more rich blacks go to jail than poor whites goes to show that rich blacks commit more crime, as they could easily just get a lawyer.

[erttheking]

Цитата допису Corneye:

Цитата допису erttheking:

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

Цитата допису erttheking:

You have not proved that they commit more crime.

Oh, I thought you were just talking about any ordinary black bloke.

But the fact that more rich blacks go to jail than poor whites goes to show that rich blacks commit more crime, as they could easily just get a lawyer.

If that's the case, it shouldn't be too hard to find a source that talks about crime of rich black vs white poor, not arrest. Because a lot of time there are crimes that both rich black and poor white commit, but it's more likely to be enforced on rich black. There's a lot of inequality in the justice system. For example, crack cocaine vs power cocaine. Effectively no real difference between the two narcotic wise. Crack cocaine carries a much heavier setence, and is more likely to be used by black people.

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/drugs/crack-vs-coke-sentencing/

In fact, drugs are probably the biggest source of all this mess, considering black and white people use drugs at around the same rate, but blacks are more likely to be arrested for it.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states#_A._Arrests_and

[Shypigeon]

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису Corneye:

Oh, I thought you were just talking about any ordinary black bloke.

But the fact that more rich blacks go to jail than poor whites goes to show that rich blacks commit more crime, as they could easily just get a lawyer.

If that's the case, it shouldn't be too hard to find a source that talks about crime of rich black vs white poor, not arrest. Because a lot of time there are crimes that both rich black and poor white commit, but it's more likely to be enforced on rich black. There's a lot of inequality in the justice system. For example, crack cocaine vs power cocaine. Effectively no real difference between the two narcotic wise. Crack cocaine carries a much heavier setence, and is more likely to be used by black people.

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/drugs/crack-vs-coke-sentencing/

In fact, drugs are probably the biggest source of all this mess, considering black and white people use drugs at around the same rate, but blacks are more likely to be arrested for it.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states#_A._Arrests_and

Maybe because they are more obvious in using it, as they tend to be the ones involved in gangs more than whites, which is why black-on-black violence is pretty big.

[erttheking]

Цитата допису Corneye:

Цитата допису erttheking:

If that's the case, it shouldn't be too hard to find a source that talks about crime of rich black vs white poor, not arrest. Because a lot of time there are crimes that both rich black and poor white commit, but it's more likely to be enforced on rich black. There's a lot of inequality in the justice system. For example, crack cocaine vs power cocaine. Effectively no real difference between the two narcotic wise. Crack cocaine carries a much heavier setence, and is more likely to be used by black people.

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/drugs/crack-vs-coke-sentencing/

In fact, drugs are probably the biggest source of all this mess, considering black and white people use drugs at around the same rate, but blacks are more likely to be arrested for it.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states#_A._Arrests_and

Maybe because they are more obvious in using it, as they tend to be the ones involved in gangs more than whites, which is why black-on-black violence is pretty big.

Eh, to the hell with it, that's an explination I'm willing to (partially) accept. I think there's more to it than that, but I'm willing to accept that might be part of the problem.

[Godzilla.exe]

Guys, GUYS. You are discussing statistics. you have to be removed from the playerbase now.

[Shypigeon]

Цитата допису Godzilla.exe:

Guys, GUYS. You are discussing statistics. you have to be removed from the playerbase now.

lol

[BazQc]

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису Corneye:

Wait, hold on:
Black people commit more crime than white per population: https://therationalists.org/2016/07/13/why-do-black-people-commit-more-crime/

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

Again : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?utm_term=.5076ef49d705

Not a single line from the article say it because racist that rich black man end up in prison more than poor white, that pure conjecture.

also the article say "end up in prison" not "arrest".

Pretty sure it take evidence to convict someone of a crime, they don't end up in prison by magic.

[erttheking]

Цитата допису BazQc:

Цитата допису erttheking:

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

Again : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?utm_term=.5076ef49d705

Not a single line from the article say it because racist that rich black man end up in prison more than poor white, that pure conjecture.

also the article say "end up in prison" not "arrest".

Pretty sure it take evidence to convict someone of a crime, they don't end up in prison by magic.

Second paragraph in that source.

"In some ways, though, discrimination against people of color is more complicated and fundamental than economic inequality. A stark new finding epitomizes that reality: In recent decades, rich black kids have been more likely to go to prison than poor white kids."

Also, this.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states

[iLuvKoRn]

Цитата допису BazQc:

Цитата допису erttheking:

We are talking about rich black people vs poor white people for the umpteenth time. That was what Jon said. If he had just said black people commit more crime than white people, no one would've cared because it would've been true. But that's not what he said.

Again : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?utm_term=.5076ef49d705

Not a single line from the article say it because racist that rich black man end up in prison more than poor white, that pure conjecture.

also the article say "end up in prison" not "arrest".

Pretty sure it take evidence to convict someone of a crime, they don't end up in prison by magic.

archive your link, desu

[BazQc]

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису BazQc:

Again : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?utm_term=.5076ef49d705

Not a single line from the article say it because racist that rich black man end up in prison more than poor white, that pure conjecture.

also the article say "end up in prison" not "arrest".

Pretty sure it take evidence to convict someone of a crime, they don't end up in prison by magic.

Second paragraph in that source.

"In some ways, though, discrimination against people of color is more complicated and fundamental than economic inequality. A stark new finding epitomizes that reality: In recent decades, rich black kids have been more likely to go to prison than poor white kids."

Also, this.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states

It say the Source is SAMHSA ,tho all the source link of the articles are dead (404 error)

the closuse thing I could find from those data is this https://www.ok.gov/odmhsas/documents/SPE%2046%20Illicit%20Drug%20Use.pdf

Put it only show the monthy usage of illicit drug by race not the life time usage...

and black consume more on a monthly basic (ajust by population proportion I think)...

[erttheking]

Цитата допису BazQc:

Цитата допису erttheking:

Second paragraph in that source.

"In some ways, though, discrimination against people of color is more complicated and fundamental than economic inequality. A stark new finding epitomizes that reality: In recent decades, rich black kids have been more likely to go to prison than poor white kids."

Also, this.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states

It say the Source is SAMHSA ,tho all the source link of the articles are dead (404 error)

the closuse thing I could find from those data is this https://www.ok.gov/odmhsas/documents/SPE%2046%20Illicit%20Drug%20Use.pdf

Put it only show the monthy usage of illicit drug by race not the life time usage...

and black consume more on a monthly basic (ajust by population proportion I think)...

Looking at that, it says that they may consume more monthly, but percentage wise the difference between the amount of whites and the amount of blacks who consume drugs overall is, well, neglibable.

[Sai]

Those statementss where completely racist and misogynist, saying thinks like "supporting women is sexist", "the white race is endangered because we are asked for diversity", and crap like that.

[BazQc]

Цитата допису erttheking:

Цитата допису BazQc:

It say the Source is SAMHSA ,tho all the source link of the articles are dead (404 error)

the closuse thing I could find from those data is this https://www.ok.gov/odmhsas/documents/SPE%2046%20Illicit%20Drug%20Use.pdf

Put it only show the monthy usage of illicit drug by race not the life time usage...

and black consume more on a monthly basic (ajust by population proportion I think)...

Looking at that, it says that they may consume more monthly, but percentage wise the difference between the amount of whites and the amount of blacks who consume drugs overall is, well, neglibable.

I agreed, and I can't explain why they get more arrest for it, I have my theory about it but I don't want to go into conjecture

[erttheking]

Цитата допису BazQc:

Цитата допису erttheking:

Looking at that, it says that they may consume more monthly, but percentage wise the difference between the amount of whites and the amount of blacks who consume drugs overall is, well, neglibable.

I agreed, and I can't explain why they get more arrest for it, I have my theory about it but I don't want to go into conjecture

Fair enough