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Yeah that's when I started to feel really sorry for him. Outside of his obsession, he's a really nice guy. Sometimes I wonder if that's why the heroine is taking psychology. In all the routes we know she's taking this except in Toma's she says she wants to be a teacher but I think we can still find the same psychology books if I remember right. Toma means a lot to the heroine since he's always at least a brother to her. I can imagine she'd know something is up with him and want to try and do what she could for him. I'd be very interested to see what they did with him in Amnesia Later, but for now like what was said we didn't get a chance to see him fix or redeem himself so having her end up with him feels wrong, because she's walking straight into an abusive relationship in the happy ending. I'd have liked to see him try and seek help and say he'd come back to become a better man for her instead of just disappearing like in the normal route, since there would've been hope they could get together and have a normal healthy relationship.
I think a much better way to take this would have been to show Tomas increasing overprotectiveness (much like the first 12 or so days did) and then have the heroine, recognizing what's happening, sit down and try to think of a way to communicate with him about it. Save the "let's toss you in a dog cage" for pure bad endings because at that point he has to be inhumanly perfect otherwise (and he’s not) to be redeemable in a lot of peoples eyes.
If instead at the point where he rushes you back home from the train track and has obviously started down the slippery slope we got a chance to engage these actions directly and call attention to them, in the process calling the sane part of him that was surprised to see you in a cage to them, I think the route could have been a lot more palatable. The issue arose from the fact that'd we'd gone way too far down the rabbit hole of crazy before we got to tack action by which point Tomas identity was largely scarred and hard to forgive.
And like, I don't know...If it was like a split personality type thing, and he couldn't remember the parts where he acted crazy, he would have been more sympathetic to me.
Of course not at all saying your feelings toward it aren't valid, we all experience things differently. Just talking about it since it was brought up.
Honestly, for me there is only one route in this game that is perfect from start to finish and it's Kent's route (okay, save for Orion's rambling: I get he's not the brightest bulb in the store, but it doesn't mean I'm as stupid as he is and don't get what's Kent talking about half of the time, come on, Japan, have faith in your audience). It's usual fluffy "nerd-meets-love-so-sweet-ending-it-hurts-your-teeth-with-cavity" but it has good pace, solid doze of dawwww and doesn't try to a) make its foundations on something totally silly (Ikki's route); b) suddenly change its genre (Shin's); c) suddenly be edgy and fail at it royally (Toma's). And I love those kind of stories. I don't know how Ukyo's route looks like because I didn't get to it yet.
All routes other than Clover have something that irritates me to the point I can't just straight out recommend them. Shin's route is about romance only at first, than turns into second-rate mystery novel, in which Shin goes around and manifests his inner Phoenix Wright. The Heroine is even more passive in this one than she is in the entire game because our boyfriend doesn't want us to steal his thunder. It's a shame because his good ending is very sweet and it just shows how cute it would be if Heroine got to show some emotions, instead of giving screentime to literal exposition fairy that is Orion.
Ikki is just laughable as a character and his backstory fits him perfectly. "I got magical eyes from a shooting star, I'm just SO SO SO SO SO RONERI, love me". I actually consider bad end in which Kent laughs his butt off watching Ikki drown his sorrows in a bottle to be the best friggin' ending in the entire game. It feels like his whole character development made to make me love him happens in last five days during which Ikki IS a nice person, but after that I was so tired with his indecisive actions, that no amount of explanation was able to make me feel less annoyed with him. On top of that I feel like all of his CGI moments serve only to remind us, how awful his life is now that he has girls standing in queue just to date him. Like, no, dude, you needed half of your lifetime to pull yourself together and even then you wouldn't do nothing if it weren't for Waka's golden wisdom. ... Seriously, Waka route where.
I'll give Toma that his route seems to have the best pacing and it actually kept me interested. As someone wrote earlier, something was happening and it didn't bore. Too bad for Toma he is not interesting in the slightest as a character, as the script sways left and right and doesn't know what to do with him. In one scene he is a dotting onii-san, next time he locks as in a cage, another one he goes to our apartment to clean the mess and all of that with the same monotone voice and the same look on his face (I remember he has limited sprite options, it's even more of a feat to make me think so then). Toma is a little like me playing the second part of Shin's route: completely detached from what is happening in his own story, going on and playing along, not getting infested in anything on the screen. The only thing that made me "feel" his character were all these awful comments about how Heroine's every move and action could make him "act funny". To be honest all guys here has this problem, not even Kent escapes it (altough his actions at the pool can really be excused as traditional way of thinking and boyfriend's jealousy, but I don't want to get all blindly-fangirly here), but it's more apparent in Toma's route and not even the cage and handcuffs made me as disgusted as these did. Look at him for half a second too long: oh, how enticing, look out for tonight. Be stuffed into lingerie: how could you, you vixen, after all that my abdomen will explode. You sleeped so soundly, that looked like an invitation! You can't even wear ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pyjamas for this guy not to get all anxious about his sex-drive! I think he has more issues than simply thinking locking up in a cage is the best hit-on-technique. I get some people dig yanderes and I won't tell anybody her/his fetish is worse than mine is, so enjoy your cages and handcuffs. But those comments pissed me off royally and I wanted to punch this guy in a face through my laptop every time he threw a fit. Mind you, I still didn't get to his GE and NE and only netted the worst of the worst (at least I wore a cool dress I think?), but Toma is so bad, he can't even play his yandere role right. Maybe his reports for school were very boring or he actually drank some from Heroine's drugged drink, who knows. Thanks to that his route goes down in my ranking like a tetris block on high level.
In the end I can't tell which route is the worst for me. Ikki's is just plainly stupid with its magical eyes plot and the main bishie is laughable at best, but it's indeed good for laughs and he kind of redeems itself with a sweet last five days (also Normal Ending is awesome when it comes to portraying Heroine: I'd say it's better than Good Ending with its bittersweetness-but-not-really). Toma is a stranger in his own route, which isn't that bad on itself, also it's not my fetish and after I get the Good End I will probably start tearing my hair off because of the things you must say to achieve it. Shin is just boring in the second half, but it's not lol-inducing as Spade and Diamond. I don't expect Ukyo's route to suck, because it's Answer Route, so it's bound to be interesting at least a little. So yeah, it's something like...
1. Ikki or Toma, depending on the mood
2. ^
3. Shin
4. Kent
tl;dr: Kent rules, Shin has a hidden stash with Agatha's Christie books, Ikki is so LOL, I don't like cages, but I don't like Toma's issues with his horniness even more.
"(yes, this was just an excuse to get up on my podium and rant about Toma, shhhhh, you heard nothing)"
Honey, if you ranted than I don't know how to call my wall of text here.
But yeah even so I agree with everything you said. I guess I'm just willing to give that one part a bit of slack since it's implied to be working on the same premise as other ridiculous magic within the game, and you either have to accept that crazy wish magic exists in-universe or find a more realistic game.
As for Toma I've played enough Otome games to know this is a strangely popular concept in Japan. I understand why it exists culturally but that doesn't make me like cages any more than I ever have before.
"As for Toma I've played enough Otome games to know this is a strangely popular concept in Japan. I understand why it exists culturally but that doesn't make me like cages any more than I ever have before."
My thoughts exactly.
And I do agree with the previous things about Shin's story being too Agatha Christie. Personality-wise, he was my favorite, but the story could've taken a better route.
I didn't like Shin either. I just thought he was a raging ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and I got really sick of him calling my character an idiot all the time. I really wanted an option to knee him in the balls at some point.
But tbh I really hate the protag, or more specificaly the fact that you don't have the option to go away from some really creepy situations or just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ones. Like you can't be jealous of Ikki? You can't of your own propose Kent to go with him? You can't ask Shin to stop dragging you to do things you don't like? YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CAGE AND CALL THE POLICE JUST BECAUSE YOU 'LOVE' HIM?
Exactly! Ukyo have problems but he atones for them and we are given an explanation. I know Toma wanted to keep her safe but that's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. While I would forgive Ukyo and stay with him because he was well aware of his wrongs and weren't going to repeat them, I would never stay with Toma because if someone played a simple prank on me he would cage me again. No thanks.
Also almost forgot, I hate how they are always saying they can't be alone with you or else they might 'do things' (KEEP YOUR JUNK INSIDE YOUR PANTS YOU LITTLE ♥♥♥♥) but the only one who says those things were just drawing a mustache on your face while the others THINK about abusing you. I think some things in this game are actually very disturbing. (and call me biased about ukyo, i don't care)
I can see how you'd come to the above conclusion of your larger post and I wouldn't say you're totally wrong. But I'll address the highlighted.
I'm honestly not sure what about Shin makes him a horrible person. He DOES listen to you, in fact he's pretty much the only guy in the game who listens to you. He's simply a very literal person and if you don't state exactly what you mean then he's just going to do what he wants because you haven't raised issue with it. He's one of the few guys who will actually stop and basically be like, "You should have told me, ok, let's do that".
As for Ikki, you CAN be jealous. There are plenty of chances to take the jealous stance in his route. The reason you shouldn't/can't has nothing to do with Ikki himself but rather [spoilers]his fan group, which will murder the hell out of you if you do act jealous. He's not forcing you to do this because he wants to, he's doing it to keep you safe. And in his good route he confronts them and does stop this situation.[/spoilers]
This all ties into the general issue of not having enough choice I suppose, like not being able to run to the police in Tomas route. And trust me while I would have loved that option I think it's important to remember the medium you're playing. This is a VN, not real life, and your choices are only as expansive as the authors made it. You don't read a book and complain so-and-so died, or the heroes did something dumb. Well, you might, but you don't expect those events to change just because you wish they would. And at the end of the day a VN is a novel, no matter what the interface and pretty graphics may suggest to the contrary and at times you're forced to accept what the authors decided on because there's only so much alteration they can put into a single story and so many viewpoints they can keep happy. So a smart VN maker focuses on the endings that the readers are most likely to enjoy and throw in lesser endings if they have the time. Note the conversation about Tomas popularity in Japan, we might not like it but we're the minority not liking his character, and so it wasn't smart for the devs to focus on an ending for us.