Sunrider: Liberation Day - Captain's Edition

Sunrider: Liberation Day - Captain's Edition

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Butcher Aug 9, 2016 @ 8:56pm
Ending question [HEAVY SPOILERS]
Okay so yeah we knew the the absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the ending brought us. Namely Chigara's Death and the Liberation Day Massacre.

[SPOILERS, SERIOUSLY]

But one thing that bugs me is after her death, Chigara became one of the dominant presence within the prototype hivemind. Completely consuming Alice (or so from what I have understood) and then just went bat**** crazy uttering

CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN! CAPTAIN!

then ending with a

CHIGARA'S COMING FOR YOU!!!

Does this mean she now finally turned for the worst? I mean she did assumed temporary control of Lynn during the Sunrider's last Coup De Grace, to somehow pull Kayto out of the bridge and save him.
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Nemjen  [developer] Aug 9, 2016 @ 11:59pm 
I read it as Chigara becoming unhinged after all the stress put on her mind during the events of Liberation Day, I suspect that from this point we may no longer consider her a Sunrider girl.

This rises the question what role Lynn will play in the next chapter? Will her behaviour start reflecting that of the unhinged Chigara has a more stable Chigara been imprinted onto her creating two contrasting Chigara characters?
Butcher Aug 10, 2016 @ 12:34am 
Ah that's a little sad. Though I loathed her forced romance with Kayto, I loved seeing Chigara's interaction with the crew/her friends in both SA and MoA. Honestly, she's much better as her own character. To see her go full circle as the 2nd Hivemind presence, is a bit sad.

Sunrider girls felt incomplete without a Dandere/Deredere. Would be nice to have that new nameless pilot of the Liberty at the end of Icari's route in [RE]turn have her own character in place of Chigara.
Nemjen  [developer] Aug 10, 2016 @ 12:48am 
Keep in mind this is just my own speculation and based on nothing but my reading experience so far, take with a pinch of salt.
Xelian Aug 10, 2016 @ 5:27am 
If I remember correctly just before Fontana shot her she was looking quite in her senses. And the CHIGARA IS COMING FOR YOU sounded to more like a pledge to herself that she will come and protect/save/be with Kayto rather than something crazy to me. (OK maybe slightly obssesive but not so for an anime) Also you keep forgeting that Alpha is the one with total control over the prototypes. Alice had autonomy but she lied to Alpha about her intentions in order to use the prototypes. I don't think that Chigara getting control over Lynn's body is something she have done easily. It was probably Kayto's life at stake which allowed her to do that.

Also - pretty much everyone hates the forced Chigara romance but it was needed for the story. Most people kinda like Chigara character so I don't think the developers will just leave her out. My guess is that Chigara will learn to assume control over Lynn's body and help the Sunrider crew which will lead to more trust issues and moral dillemas. At some point the hivemind will be broken and both Chigara and Lynn will become persons so to say. There is a whole topic about - What do you think will happen further in the story. You may want to check it.
Butcher Aug 10, 2016 @ 5:51am 
I know Alpha has the total control of the Hivemind, but it also implied that Chigara's voice is slowly becoming a stronger entity within the prototype hivemind. The repeated cacophony of "Captain!" might be implying that her influence is slowly spreading within the Mindstream.

The end quote felt more foreboding rather than a yearning. Not mention the screen shakes and the background slowly glowing red. That's not a good sign. Wouldn't be surprised if she comes back as a blood-crazy yandere.
Xelian Aug 10, 2016 @ 6:55am 
OK you made me rewatch the ending and you may have a point. In the conversation Alpha have with Claude shortly before that she says that her sisters are battling for control of the hivemind and that whatever emerges will not be either of them. Maybe we are witnessing that - Chigara's love for Kayto mixed up with Alice hatred for everything.
Or maybe it is just Chigara focusing on the thought about Kayto (Imagine the Captain text like some dronning) and the final I"M COMING FOR YOU as ultimate resolve pledge which let her assume control and win. I think thats how I have understood it the first time.

Any idea why this part is not voiced over Magpie? That would have helped a lot for our discussion :)
Last edited by Xelian; Aug 10, 2016 @ 7:00am
Nemjen  [developer] Aug 10, 2016 @ 8:32am 
Originally all the content that unvoiced was actually meant for the next sunrider game, following feedback that people were dissatisfied with the original cliffhanger the decision was made to add these in. As audio for the game was already completed for LD when the update was made, the lines were never recorded.

For now at least there are no plans to change this as the focus is on Starnova.
Last edited by Nemjen; Aug 10, 2016 @ 10:11am
animeaaron Aug 11, 2016 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by Magpie:
Originally all the content that unvoiced was actually meant for the next sunrider game, following feedback that people were dissatisfied with the original cliffhanger the decision was made to add these in. As audio for the game was already completed for LD when the update was made, the lines were never recorded.

For now at least there are no plans to change this as the focus is on Starnova.

What year could we expect the fourth instalment? and star nova looks great, but i feel like your are missing a girl. i don't know what type it is but one is definentally missing.
Nemjen  [developer] Aug 11, 2016 @ 4:26am 
I'd love to say I have an answer for you but all I can do is encourage you to wait for official announcements as all future projects are TBA.

(Coming year 20xx)

Missing a girl... So you are after either a monster girl, cat girl or a trap character in the cast right? :)
animeaaron Aug 11, 2016 @ 1:58pm 
Originally posted by Magpie:
I'd love to say I have an answer for you but all I can do is encourage you to wait for official announcements as all future projects are TBA.

(Coming year 20xx)

Missing a girl... So you are after either a monster girl, cat girl or a trap character in the cast right? :)

posibly one of them, even i don't know what feels like missing, maybe you should add a character that isn't singing, the secret girl after compleating the game 6 times, and the secret girl is a fairy, or a cat girl, or a monster girl, or a trap.
Stolpskott Aug 19, 2016 @ 11:18am 
I read it as Chigara constantly reinforcing her memories of Kayto as she is absorbed into the hivemind (something she had very little conscious experience of, as she did not remember being a prototype).
Over the course of Alice's time away from the hivemind, the hivemind was slowly turned to her "hate humanity" angle, probably because there was no balancing/dissenting voice outside of the calm and academic preference that Alpha has for unification over death; Chigara falling in love in a more pure and selfless setting free of the hivemind (thus showing the hivemind the positive aspects of love), gives a contrasting perspective that the mind needs to wrestle over.
Alice's anger and her greater familiarity with the hivemind would give her a very loud voice, so to try and combat that you have Chigara repeating the "CAPTAIN" mantra over and over, reinforcing her own recollection of their love.
It is a bit like when you are trying to remember a phone number while frantically searching for a pen or paper, with loud music playing in the background - most people repeat the number constantly to try and not lose it.
It certainly could be taken, with the continuous repeat and the "I'm coming for you" as Chigara snapping into 15 different kinds of crazy and pursuing Kayto as either a psychologically broken or homicidally driven hive, but my preference is to see the "I'm coming for you" line as her looking to protect her true love and probably overcoming Alice's negativity in the process - after all, given the arrivals in the final cutscene at the Mnemosyne Abyss, Kayto is going to need some big-time help.
Also, beyond the arc of the story series, that would give him a formidable group with which to enforce law and order in the Neutral Zone by using the Prototypes as a peacekeeping and law enforcement group unaffiliated with either PACT or the Alliance, creating a loose federation of independent/neutral worlds (seems like the most obvious geo-political solution to the situation anyway), thus providing a more stable and durable buffer between the two major powers and leading the Galaxy into a period of stability that Alpha desires.
Xelian Aug 25, 2016 @ 2:13pm 
My thought exactly but you put them in better words Stopskott
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