Wired headset + turning = entangle problem?

[tomwithtime]

What does room scale VR mean if the headset has wires sticking out of it and could get twisted? Virtuix omni has a thing that hangs over you that can turn with you to stop wires from twisting, but people using the vive by itself in a 15x15 ft room will ruin the wires, won't they?

[loppantorkel]

Just hook up a retractable leash in the ceiling and you're set.

Probably not really though... I hear the cables shouldn't be too long...

[Nanoha]

The wire is quite durable (from what I've seen mentioned in reviews/demos) but obviously there is m ore chance of damaging it than a wire that isn't doing anything. Hooking it on the ceiling somehow is certainly an interesting idea but probably impractical for most.

Just gonna have to get used to avoiding it. It would be brilliant if the curator thing also warns you when you have rotated an unacceptable amount so you can unplug and untwist the wire.

[Shallex]

Originally posted by Nanoha:

The wire is quite durable (from what I've seen mentioned in reviews/demos) but obviously there is m ore chance of damaging it than a wire that isn't doing anything. Hooking it on the ceiling somehow is certainly an interesting idea but probably impractical for most.

Just gonna have to get used to avoiding it. It would be brilliant if the curator thing also warns you when you have rotated an unacceptable amount so you can unplug and untwist the wire.

But that's impossible since it can't know whether or not you actually are twisting the wire.

[Litva]

Looks like its flat wire so it wont twist that mutch.

[Nanoha]

Originally posted by Shallex:

Originally posted by Nanoha:

The wire is quite durable (from what I've seen mentioned in reviews/demos) but obviously there is m ore chance of damaging it than a wire that isn't doing anything. Hooking it on the ceiling somehow is certainly an interesting idea but probably impractical for most.

Just gonna have to get used to avoiding it. It would be brilliant if the curator thing also warns you when you have rotated an unacceptable amount so you can unplug and untwist the wire.

But that's impossible since it can't know whether or not you actually are twisting the wire.

It's not impossible at all, it knows your orientation at all times, I'm sure it would be quite trivial to know if you have rotated 360 degrees one way (in total) - that is then one twist. If you then rotate 360 degrees the other way you are back to 0 twists. It would be very easy to keep track of the total number of degrees you have rotated clockwise/anticlockwise and if it gets over a threashold (say 3600 degrees - 10 twists) then it could warn you to do a few spins the other way ir unplug and untwist the wire.

I actually think that is a really good and really trivial to implement feature, it requires nothing new.

Unless the wire can actually rotate at the point it connects in which case twisting isn't an issue anyway.

[Shallex]

Originally posted by Nanoha:

Originally posted by Shallex:

But that's impossible since it can't know whether or not you actually are twisting the wire.

It's not impossible at all, it knows your orientation at all times, I'm sure it would be quite trivial to know if you have rotated 360 degrees one way (in total) - that is then one twist. If you then rotate 360 degrees the other way you are back to 0 twists. It would be very easy to keep track of the total number of degrees you have rotated clockwise/anticlockwise and if it gets over a threashold (say 3600 degrees - 10 twists) then it could warn you to do a few spins the other way ir unplug and untwist the wire.

I actually think that is a really good and really trivial to implement feature, it requires nothing new.

Unless the wire can actually rotate at the point it connects in which case twisting isn't an issue anyway.

Yes, it's easy for the device to know how much you have rotated, but impossible to know the physical location of the wires and whether or not they are actually twisting/tangling around you, given the limitless possibilities one could use to set up their cord position/setup.

[Nanoha]

Originally posted by Shallex:

Originally posted by Nanoha:

It's not impossible at all, it knows your orientation at all times, I'm sure it would be quite trivial to know if you have rotated 360 degrees one way (in total) - that is then one twist. If you then rotate 360 degrees the other way you are back to 0 twists. It would be very easy to keep track of the total number of degrees you have rotated clockwise/anticlockwise and if it gets over a threashold (say 3600 degrees - 10 twists) then it could warn you to do a few spins the other way ir unplug and untwist the wire.

I actually think that is a really good and really trivial to implement feature, it requires nothing new.

Unless the wire can actually rotate at the point it connects in which case twisting isn't an issue anyway.

Yes, it's easy for the device to know how much you have rotated, but impossible to know the physical location of the wires and whether or not they are actually twisting/tangling around you, given the limitless possibilities one could use to set up their cord position/setup.

I see what you mean. Hopefully you will be able to feel yourself getting wrapped up in wires.

[tomwithtime]

Even if you have this thing hooked onto the ceiling, wouldn't there be an issue if you turned left 1000 times? I'm a big fan of LNC, I always go left!

Originally posted by Shallex:

Originally posted by Nanoha:

The wire is quite durable (from what I've seen mentioned in reviews/demos) but obviously there is m ore chance of damaging it than a wire that isn't doing anything. Hooking it on the ceiling somehow is certainly an interesting idea but probably impractical for most.

Just gonna have to get used to avoiding it. It would be brilliant if the curator thing also warns you when you have rotated an unacceptable amount so you can unplug and untwist the wire.

But that's impossible since it can't know whether or not you actually are twisting the wire.

I don't know much about hardware but I think the best way to determine if the wire was twisting to a point of being damaged would be to measure it where it connects at the helmet. Wouldn't there be more tension / rigidity in a twisted wire? Aren't there gauges to detect that?

[Nanoha]

Saw this in another thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW6nlLV88Zk
With regards to twisting they measure how many times and in what direction you have turned and give hints that you should turn int he directiont hat will untwist your wire.

[Litva]

I think they got to make like walking forward is with gamecontroler button and thats it. Or like you in some kind of whealchair

[tomwithtime]

When I'm using just the vive I don't see myself turning that much so I'm not concerned about it. What I am concerned about is my eventual purchase of something like the virtuix omni where I'll be running and turning and whatever else. If I suddenly decide to spin 100 times in 1 direction I don't want to ruin the system

The wire holder accessory they sell with it supposedly turns with the wire, but won't the other end of that setup still be twisting that wire?

[Nordomus]

Originally posted by Karmijn:

Originally posted by Litva:

I think they got to make like walking forward is with gamecontroler button and thats it. Or like you in some kind of whealchair

You will get motion sick if you do. Thats why most devs have the teleportation mechanic now.

You CAN get motion sick, not everyone reacts(tm) to it the same way.

[Tя!cky ツ]

Originally posted by tomwithtime:

What does room scale VR mean if the headset has wires sticking out of it and could get twisted? Virtuix omni has a thing that hangs over you that can turn with you to stop wires from twisting, but people using the vive by itself in a 15x15 ft room will ruin the wires, won't they?

Virtuix VR Boom it's being sold separately $79.00 not sure if they are ready to ship. Might ask them on Facebook. http://www.virtuix.com/products/

[AlienNova]

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

Just hook up a retractable leash in the ceiling and you're set.

Probably not really though... I hear the cables shouldn't be too long...

I really like this suggestion, I'll probably do this. Although you'll feel a constant tugging on your head.

[tomwithtime]

Originally posted by Tя!cky ツ:

Originally posted by tomwithtime:

What does room scale VR mean if the headset has wires sticking out of it and could get twisted? Virtuix omni has a thing that hangs over you that can turn with you to stop wires from twisting, but people using the vive by itself in a 15x15 ft room will ruin the wires, won't they?

Virtuix VR Boom it's being sold separately $79.00 not sure if they are ready to ship. Might ask them on Facebook. http://www.virtuix.com/products/

of course... They do realize the major players in VR are WIRED, right? How is the omni going to function without the boom?