When's Denuvo getting removed?

[MSoni-Sama]

Is there a plan or something cuz GOG already has a Denuvoless version now, it takes what, a day at the most for them to put out an update, the game's already usually dirt cheap on sales, the online is barely alive and with gog, nobody would care here, why aren't we getting denuvo removed as well.

[WhiteKnight]

They haven't done the same for Arkham Knight and what ever other DRM-free release they are. I wished companies would remove DRM after 2-5 years.

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight:

They haven't done the same for Arkham Knight and what ever other DRM-free release they are. I wished companies would remove DRM after 2-5 years.

Arkham Knight no longer has Denuvo on Steam. Mad Max still does, though.

[WhiteKnight]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Originally posted by WhiteKnight:

They haven't done the same for Arkham Knight and what ever other DRM-free release they are. I wished companies would remove DRM after 2-5 years.

Arkham Knight no longer has Denuvo on Steam. Mad Max still does, though.

It says on steam page that "Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Antitamper".

Originally posted by Private Pike (Dads Army):

get a life for gods sake whats the hells wrong with you people when denovo is installed its to stop scumbag cheats from getting a game for nothing ..I f you dont want to play the game go and $$$$ off and play something else instead of moaning.

Denovo neither stopped cheats nor piracy for this particular title. Also the game is on GOG. You know the DRM-free store?. There is no point in having a drm when the game is quite old and when it's available drm-free elsewhere.

[MSoni-Sama]

Originally posted by Private Pike (Dads Army):

get a life for gods sake whats the hells wrong with you people when denovo is installed its to stop scumbag cheats from getting a game for nothing ..I f you dont want to play the game go and $$$$ off and play something else instead of moaning.

lol, you are sad, pretty much, people hate denuvo for many reasons, and it hasn't stopped it from getting pirated or cheats.

Maybe go outside and touch some grass before getting salty for no reason, you're the one who needs a life.

[MSoni-Sama]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight:

They haven't done the same for Arkham Knight and what ever other DRM-free release they are. I wished companies would remove DRM after 2-5 years.

That's a quite old game now anyways, atleast SoW is relatively new, removing denuvo here as well doesn't hurt them anyways, it's not like it's gonna get updated anymore.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Private Pike (Dads Army):

get a life for gods sake whats the hells wrong with you people when denovo is installed its to stop scumbag cheats from getting a game for nothing ..I f you dont want to play the game go and $$$$ off and play something else instead of moaning.

haha you really think denuvo is an anti cheat? :D Jeeez

[Waiwai]

Originally posted by Private Pike (Dads Army):

get a life for gods sake whats the hells wrong with you people when denovo is installed its to stop scumbag cheats from getting a game for nothing ..I f you dont want to play the game go and $$$$ off and play something else instead of moaning.

Denovo is an encryption method used by developer to protect their content from being copied and used by unauthorized third party, and that is all. Mostly, people simply calls these digital products as DRM-product.

It won't stop any cheat, since game content will be decrypt and execute in real time, and Cheat Engine will always work once a game starts running.

When there is a job on a computer, it always costs resources on a computer, this is impossible to avoid according to the reliable physical law. This real time decryption always sacrifices client side computer hardware and money, to protect digital product created by one or multiple companies. While the company claims Denuvo has no impact to performance, it is definitely a lie. Technically speaking, Denuvo is also a third party software that enforced on consumer who wants to buy a product but with DRM on it.

Also, many Denuvo-installed products require Internet connection to update and maintain the keys in DRM-products, meaning in the worst case, for example power outage, server outage, or no longer support a product, it can lock out people from registering or using the material they bought. Essentially control consumers' daily life in technically speaking.

While the approach took by developer in reasonable considering revenue and buyer-seller rules from a completed product has to be respected, it is a vile method to cost consumers 24/7 on computer hardware to maintain the safety of their product after the consumers have paid completely for a product.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Waiwai:

While the company claims Denuvo has no impact to performance, it is definitely a lie.

Yeah, when developers are free to claim otherwise without any concern for legal challenge of such statements I know whose word to trust:

https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

Also, Denuvo license is six figures expense, according to relatively recent info:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/the_cost_of_denuvo_-_leaked_documents_reveals_how_much_crytek_paid_for_denuvo/1

Might not be a lot for AAA flagship title, but sure is a lot of potential development work-hours lost for anything smaller.

They do offer tiered lump sum payments (I think under-500k sales is about 60% of the full price), but that's still plenty of money taken away from actual development. Especially considering how fast those things get bypassed anyway.

[Waiwai]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Waiwai:

While the company claims Denuvo has no impact to performance, it is definitely a lie.

Yeah, when developers are free to claim otherwise without any concern for legal challenge of such statements I know whose word to trust:

https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

Also, Denuvo license is six figures expense, according to relatively recent info:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/the_cost_of_denuvo_-_leaked_documents_reveals_how_much_crytek_paid_for_denuvo/1

Might not be a lot for AAA flagship title, but sure is a lot of potential development work-hours lost for anything smaller.

They do offer tiered lump sum payments (I think under-500k sales is about 60% of the full price), but that's still plenty of money taken away from actual development. Especially considering how fast those things get bypassed anyway.

Not just get bypassed. Company can transfer that Denuvo cost to consumer.

Which means, it is possible that we are not just paying for the development price, but also paying for the needless-for-consumer Denuvo license which potentially harming consumer's hardware.

[Viper]

Game is 6 years old. Why would they spend money on it.

[Viper]

Originally posted by Waiwai:

Originally posted by Private Pike (Dads Army):

get a life for gods sake whats the hells wrong with you people when denovo is installed its to stop scumbag cheats from getting a game for nothing ..I f you dont want to play the game go and $$$$ off and play something else instead of moaning.

Denovo is an encryption method used by developer to protect their content from being copied and used by unauthorized third party, and that is all. Mostly, people simply calls these digital products as DRM-product.

It won't stop any cheat, since game content will be decrypt and execute in real time, and Cheat Engine will always work once a game starts running.

When there is a job on a computer, it always costs resources on a computer, this is impossible to avoid according to the reliable physical law. This real time decryption always sacrifices client side computer hardware and money, to protect digital product created by one or multiple companies. While the company claims Denuvo has no impact to performance, it is definitely a lie. Technically speaking, Denuvo is also a third party software that enforced on consumer who wants to buy a product but with DRM on it.

Also, many Denuvo-installed products require Internet connection to update and maintain the keys in DRM-products, meaning in the worst case, for example power outage, server outage, or no longer support a product, it can lock out people from registering or using the material they bought. Essentially control consumers' daily life in technically speaking.

While the approach took by developer in reasonable considering revenue and buyer-seller rules from a completed product has to be respected, it is a vile method to cost consumers 24/7 on computer hardware to maintain the safety of their product after the consumers have paid completely for a product.

Thats what he said. Getting a game for nothing.What do you think that means. 99% of people never have an issue with Denuvo and it has little effect on performance regardless of what you people claim. If you guys want to take up a cause why don't you worry about something that is important. this is not. Far worse things are happening in the world. This is a nothing issue.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Viper:

Game is 6 years old. Why would they spend money on it.

They continuously spend money on Denuvo authentication servers.

Also, additional sales, because there are quite a few of us who won't ever buy products with Denuvo, but might otherwise.

Originally posted by Viper:

99% of people never have an issue with Denuvo

156% of statistics coming from you are made up.

Originally posted by Viper:

and it has little effect on performance regardless of what you people claim.

I'm sure you know more than the lead developer with quite prestigious titles to his name:
https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

But wait, there's more:
https://www.pcgamer.com/humankind-drops-denuvo-ahead-of-launch-to-avoid-performance-problems/

Originally posted by Viper:

If you guys want to take up a cause why don't you worry about something that is important. this is not.

I'm passionate about games. I still play titles that I can reinstall from CDs purchased in 1990s.

DRM doesn't just put an expiration date on my purchases, it also prevents any future community effort to bring older titles into public domain, or even just make them work on newer systems. Denuvo itself requires periodic authentication token re-authorization, which means it bricks a game for anyone with no internet connection at that point. It's also highly questionable to do anything positive even for the publisher/developer, but provably takes away money from development itself.

This might not be among most important issues at all, but it's still a matter important to me enough that I won't support products utilizing such anti-customer schemes. I will also occasionally spend some of my time voicing my opposition, because I can do as much if nothing more. Also, this is a public forum for discussing all aspects of the game.

What's your excuse for defending something that is against your own best interests? If you're so ambivalent about its presence, why are you arguing in favor of receiving an inferior product?

[Viper]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Viper:

Game is 6 years old. Why would they spend money on it.

They continuously spend money on Denuvo authentication servers.

Also, additional sales, because there are quite a few of us who won't ever buy products with Denuvo, but might otherwise.

Originally posted by Viper:

99% of people never have an issue with Denuvo

156% of statistics coming from you are made up.

Originally posted by Viper:

and it has little effect on performance regardless of what you people claim.

I'm sure you know more than the lead developer with quite prestigious titles to his name:
https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

But wait, there's more:
https://www.pcgamer.com/humankind-drops-denuvo-ahead-of-launch-to-avoid-performance-problems/

Originally posted by Viper:

If you guys want to take up a cause why don't you worry about something that is important. this is not.

I'm passionate about games. I still play titles that I can reinstall from CDs purchased in 1990s.

DRM doesn't just put an expiration date on my purchases, it also prevents any future community effort to bring older titles into public domain, or even just make them work on newer systems. Denuvo itself requires periodic authentication token re-authorization, which means it bricks a game for anyone with no internet connection at that point. It's also highly questionable to do anything positive even for the publisher/developer, but provably takes away money from development itself.

This might not be among most important issues at all, but it's still a matter important to me enough that I won't support products utilizing such anti-customer schemes. I will also occasionally spend some of my time voicing my opposition, because I can do as much if nothing more. Also, this is a public forum for discussing all aspects of the game.

What's your excuse for defending something that is against your own best interests? If you're so ambivalent about its presence, why are you arguing in favor of receiving an inferior product?

I own at least a dozen Denuvo game so you can stop with the BS right now. Self experience trumps all and that is what anybody else will tell you. Anyway you guys are a waste to what is actually important in this world. making an issue about nothing and most likely because your a pirate ...so for immoral reasons. If not buy a decent PC. next time. It effects me in no way whatsoever. None. My experience with Denuvo game overrides anything you have to say. If it has a slight effect on performance I just don't care. Everything the program does has an effect on the performance of the game. Its just another part of the game. I am completelly happy with every single Denuvo game I own...including this one which runs glitch free smoothly and at a high FPS. Complain about something important next time.

[(Dads Army) Private Pike.]

Originally posted by Viper:

Originally posted by Sheepify:

They continuously spend money on Denuvo authentication servers.

Also, additional sales, because there are quite a few of us who won't ever buy products with Denuvo, but might otherwise.
156% of statistics coming from you are made up.
I'm sure you know more than the lead developer with quite prestigious titles to his name:
https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

But wait, there's more:
https://www.pcgamer.com/humankind-drops-denuvo-ahead-of-launch-to-avoid-performance-problems/
I'm passionate about games. I still play titles that I can reinstall from CDs purchased in 1990s.

DRM doesn't just put an expiration date on my purchases, it also prevents any future community effort to bring older titles into public domain, or even just make them work on newer systems. Denuvo itself requires periodic authentication token re-authorization, which means it bricks a game for anyone with no internet connection at that point. It's also highly questionable to do anything positive even for the publisher/developer, but provably takes away money from development itself.

This might not be among most important issues at all, but it's still a matter important to me enough that I won't support products utilizing such anti-customer schemes. I will also occasionally spend some of my time voicing my opposition, because I can do as much if nothing more. Also, this is a public forum for discussing all aspects of the game.

What's your excuse for defending something that is against your own best interests? If you're so ambivalent about its presence, why are you arguing in favor of receiving an inferior product?

I own at least a dozen Denuvo game so you can stop with the BS right now. Self experience trumps all and that is what anybody else will tell you. Anyway you guys are a waste to what is actually important in this world. making an issue about nothing and most likely because your a pirate ...so for immoral reasons. If not buy a decent PC. next time. It effects me in no way whatsoever. None. My experience with Denuvo game overrides anything you have to say. If it has a slight effect on performance I just don't care. Everything the program does has an effect on the performance of the game. Its just another part of the game. I am completelly happy with every single Denuvo game I own...including this one which runs glitch free smoothly and at a high FPS. Complain about something important next time.

WELL SAID WELL SAID I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Viper:

I own at least a dozen Denuvo game so you can stop with the BS right now.

1. You don't own them, you rent them, and sooner or later their authentication servers will go down and, regardless of whether you'd still want to play them or not, you won't be able to.

Even if you retain their original installer packages, or have previously-working installation on your hard drive.

2. Developers publicly claiming Denuvo affects performance trump any anecdotal experience you might have in that respect.

Originally posted by Viper:

Anyway you guys are a waste to what is actually important in this world. making an issue about nothing and most likely because your a pirate ...so for immoral reasons.

Haha, and here comes the self-righteousness.

If I was a pirate I wouldn't even bother posting on the forum of an aged game that's been cracked a long, long time ago.

Originally posted by Viper:

It effects me in no way whatsoever. None.

It does affect you, you're just too short-sighted to see it.

And at this point I ask you again - if you're so ambivalent about it (your right, even if you're one of the "useful idiots" that keep undermining customer rights), why are you defending purchasing an inferior product? To the point of attempting to argue with those of us who are not only aware of the issues it presents, but are literally asking for it to be removed so we can buy the product?