so How does betrayal work

[Honor Guard]

I am curious,I had 4 of my captains suddenly turn on me at once (3 of them being guys I sent on missions and such recently as well as done stuff with very recently and often)

So how do I keep these events down (If asking,basic idea,at start there were 5 captains in area (2 enemy ones,3 of my guys) and near the end I had 4-5 dead,two shamed and remainder were mine as well as calling in my body guard who somehow died to the point,I Can't resurrect him.)

[Coby]

As far as I can see one dude can just randomly rebel and take other orcs with him

[Vibrating Dictionary]

One scenario i've encountered a few times is Blood Brothers. If you dominate one of them and have them attack or as your bodyguard when their counterpart shows up, you'll end up getting betrayed almost on the spot.

[LeeWai]

Yes blood brothers for sure, but there many other situation where your orcs betray you, I just can't figure it why. Is it about if you send them to fight, or not send them to fight, is it about you die and they see you as weak, is it cos of weak chiftains in the outpost or is just random thing.

I saw that I got attack by beastmasters if I call and ride my Caragor, also if i have a ring 99.9% chance of poison and hurt them by accidant, or if not save them when they dying, or if in fight i strike them to many times.... For sure it helps if you save your bodyguards or orcs who are dying out, they shoud be loyal.

[Craig [K.A.O.S.]]

It will eventually happen no matter what you do, so just keep some good replacements in the garrison, so you can kill the rebels and rebuild.

[LeeWai]

I hate that often my new bodyguard betray me, so I prefer to have 2-3 loyal bodyguards who I saved a lot before, and have some history behind and rotate them. It would be awesome to know for what reason exactly they betray you. I guess it's in their nature :D

[| TajMahBalls |]

Betrayal can be caused by certain things an or forced by the players actions.

Most common I'd say is blood brothers and random betrayals. Random betrayals can happen at well any moment though I notice if certain orcs get no action for a certain period of time they will betray you. Blood brothers is pretty self Explanatory

Orcs that have cheated death sometimes betray once they come back. This is most common if they died from bleeding out.

Now forces ways are just randomly hitting your Orc. After a couple hits they will betray you in the spot.

Shunning your orcs kicks then out of your army.

That's all the ways I can think of.

[dobrowol]

I find that if you put them through the fighting pits, on a rotational basis; it cuts down a little on the betrayals... BUT I find these are just random game mechanics betrayals. As it has been mentioned already; watch out for the Blood Brothers thingy. I once shamed a higher orc than my level and he came after me/ambushed me acting all blubbering and vengeful. The game keeps you on your toes that's for sure.

[GDSpectra]

Remember that some Orcs will betray you if they˙re not on higher positions or they reach the same level as you, so keep an eye on these as well. Generally tho, some of them are just too bored or cannot help themselves from stabbing you in the back once you have them, no matter if they˙re Captains or Chiefs (Overlords cannot betray you).
The only surefire way to keep them is to either make them Overlords or turn them undead.

[LeeWai]

So using your Captains more works better ( less betrayals ). If I think back I think u are right.

[The Average Ivy Enjoyer]

The reasons are mostly not specific, but all Orcs have a % of various things, such as Betrayals, Gifts (Via Loot-Orcs), Saviours, etc.

As before, interacting with an Orc works differently to another Orc, via the randomly generated variations of the Nemesis System.

Swapping Orcs through ranks (Such as making a Warchief a Captain again), is rumoured and theorised to add to this % of Betrayal, but this I am uncertain of, in my hours of playtime.

Also, to add to @NightmareSpectra's comment of Undead Orcs, there is a common (and I believe it's a glitch but it happens so often to me I think it's an accidental feature they forgot to patch right) that killing a Blood-Brother of an Undead, Ally Orc will result in that Undead Orc betraying you, or if the two Orcs are in the same instance of combat, will almost certainly end up with the Undead somehow betraying you. In my experience, one of my own Undead Orcs betrayed me out of nowhere.

P.S: Placing an Orc as an Overlord, as long as they are said Overlord position, will never betray you, and from my experience, seem to be the least likely to betray you if you do not swap them with another Orc to become Overlord, and even if you lose/regain a Fort, that ex-Overlord Orc will tend to be loyal, provided you also make them your Bodyguard during the time you are unable to make them an Overord.

[ceepee]

A captain that keeps on muttering things like 'I am not enjoying this...' is a giveaway that the captain in question is going to betray you at some point
'...How can you trust me I already betrayed one master...' is another one. Some of them keep telling you how untrustworthy they are. There are some that don't like it when you dominate or drain? orcs in front of them.
Showing weakness can be a trigger for betrayal and rebellion. Getting killed in front of your captains for instance.

[ceepee]

Originally posted by 5009craig:

It will eventually happen no matter what you do, so just keep some good replacements in the garrison, so you can kill the rebels and rebuild.

I'm a bit of a fool for betrayers and always try to recruit them again and sometimes again and again... Necromancers seem to be pretty treacherous. Or is it just me?

[EST-Reloaded-]

If they betray you once they surely are gonna do that again .

Things that have triggered betrayals for me

1) you getting killed and witnessed by your captains
2) humiliation (one guy betrayed me right after i got humiliated once)
3) dying in pits surviving and betraying
4) being bled out and cheating death
5) demoting warchiefs and overlords to lower position.
6) Assasin and trickster types more likely to be betrayers? (not sure about that one just my observation)