Cultivating orc traits

[Cohollow]

I'm looking to learn more about how to remove weaknesses and and strengths to my orcs. Can anyone recommend some good links to information on the subject? I'd very much like a solid listing of ways to add each strength and remove each weakness.

I've come to understand how to remove things like elemental weaknesses and other similar weaknesses that are pretty straight forward, but there are others I really don't know how to deal with. One I am currently having trouble with is Terrified of Morgai flies. The RNG gods have cursed my most current play through with a slew of orcs that are pretty solid aside from this weakness. I'd very much like to know how to get rid of this. I'm also curious as to how I remove weaknesses to things that are more oriented towards the player such as stealth and the like.

In terms of strengths, I'd very much like to learn how to cultivate elemental immunities. My current MVP betrayed me and I had to shame him far too many times to rid him of his Iron Will, which removed with fire immunity. Hes a slayer with fire bombs and mines. He was very good at crowd control with his Triple Strike and fire spread, and his "exceptional combat skills" makes him very good at combating enemy captains (or at least holding his own against the tough guys until I can swoop if need be). He even had a huge amount of things that enrage him, making him an insanely effective body guard. It's sad to see one of my best captains now flail about as he lights himself on fire when he used to be so indomitable.

[Pandora]

Never appoint your top guys as bodyguards, they dont specially like this job.
A slayer with lot of rages? Weird. Out of some unstable ( raged by everything)cuties...

Shaming and lvling (then shaming again) are the basis to build good traits orcs legit but its more a hassle if rng hates you, wich seems to be your case xd.

If you didnt met Infested/Flies orcs you can use the fleas to turn an orc you want into it, he will lose the fear but from what I saw with mine they tend to be bad learner for others things.

They can get BeastSlayer if they do hunts, but I dont think I saw an orc getting rid of a ghulie or spider fear.

Dont waste your time building traits from guys who were on garison.

On a side note, you should let your guys choose by themself they weapon element, lot dont change so do what you want with them but some tend to choose cursed weap (specially tricksters), become cursed and can become necromancers with a bit of training (dont need to die like those morons I avenge in vendettas).

[Cohollow]

Thanks for the advice! Yes I have notice that the bodyguards are especially susceptible to betrayal. I'll see if i can get some fly nest orcs made so I can send my guys to kill then to hopefully get rid of that weakness.

The guy I refer to is "The Flame of War" and started out with fire proof, enraged by fire, and a fire weapon. He also has fire bomb, mine, and the fire bombs upon death. This isn't something i expected to see on a slayer along side the typical slayer strengths. He started out enraged by only poison, but after some time gained multiple other rages. An ongoing rivalry with a beast master lead to caragor rage. Enraged by fire came about, possibly due to how often he was hit with flames from his own weapons. He gained enraged by cowards after a certain orc fled from their duel a couple times. He is also enraged by a couple other things i don't remember now. He's effectively a combination of destroyer, slayer, and berserker at this point. I hope he makes it to the end game and level 80 so I can garrison him. He's one nemesis I'll never forget!

[Pandora]

The Flame of War uh. Well, fire related title tend to have bombs even if not destroyers or tank (like the Infernal, Flame Monger and of course the Flame of War among some others). If he dies know he is unique, you will have to search online to get new ones.
Not like the Plagued ones...

[FizzyElf]

I would also like to know how to gain elemental immunities in this game, in shadow of mordor all you had to do was either kill them with the element you wanted them immune to and hope they cheat death or use a lot of said element on them and then die to them and hope they rank up and gain the resistance trait. In shadow of war this method doesn't seem to work for elements, If you wish to make them immune to stealth, use it on them a lot in your fights, then die or kill them and hope for a cheat death ambush, I've made some immune to beast or enraged by caragors/dragons using this method and had one become enraged by ghuls after being dazed by them previously.

As for body guards though, I second Pandora, never ever make you best mate a bodyguard and if your crazy enough to do it anyway, make sure they are NOT immune to all. I don't care if its flies, beast, hell even if they're only scared of dragons make sure they have a strong weakness because then you don't risk killing them when your trying to shame them. Auto terrified sucks but its useful for this and this alone: easy, low risk shaming to break "Iron Will". If you really truly love the orc lock them up in the fortress or garrison and only bring them out when doing a siege or other such event, this will protect you from betrayal and will allow you to safely have an immune to all orc without any major consequences. Hell, you don't even have to take them out for a night on the town to rank up, use the pit fights or war training to avoid losing them to betrayal.

[Pandora]

Seems giving them a weapon with the element you want them to be immune can help but I am not sure (cant know what rng planned to give them if I didnt use element xd). But some will just never gain traits, you usually notice it quickly.

Lol, did you had defenders captains losing their shield after lot of stealth hit? It happened quite a lot to me but dont know if its normal xd.

[FizzyElf]

No defenders but a beserker lost one of his axes so that's something to watch out for. also the weapons may work with curse and poison but fire could cause negitive traits if they start burning them selves... or they could get the rage bonus for fire so take your chances with that one.

[Cohollow]

It's really too bad that if I want to ensure an orc doesn't betray me, I need to limit contact with him as much as possible. I like giving all my favorites a round at bodyguard just so we can hang out and I can build a bit more of a relationship as we adventure and I listen to their stories. It wouldn't be too bad if Iron Will wasn't such a troublesome trait. It's a trait that has only impacted my time with the game in a negative fashion as I often times don't wanna fuss with it and slay any who have it, unless they are particularly unique, cool, or powerful.

I feel my play style is a bit different from most as I'm not interested in online conquests and defense. It was cool after my first time beating the game, but I lost interest due to its more technical game play. This has lead me to eventually start the game over after I've done all that interests me and Garrison all my favorite orcs. This way I'm not built up like an absolute god and the game can take back some agency over how the nemesis system will treat me. This means losing unique orcs doesn't much trouble me as they tend to come around again my next time through. This does make me wonder if the orcs in my garrison affect what unique orcs appear in subsequent play throughs. If so, I'll go over who I have in the garrison and start to get rid of those I'm not too attached to. After dozens of play throughs, My garrison is nearly 500 strong. Please let me know if the garrison does affect who will show im my play through so I can make some fixes!

[Pandora]

Na garisonned guys dont have effect on spawn.

Yeah, Iron will is a hassle, I to loved painting Minas Morgul with black blood while listening my bodyguards stories but they eventually betrayed me in the end. After 600 hours you throw it in the towel xd.
No more bodyguards for me, if I need one I borrow a random guy from a Warchief. Can still betray me but its a bit safer.

Well, online conquest is ruined now, no point in climbing rank to see the heavy edited ones and the worse ones above.

Some said if you garrison an unique title it may appear again but I have doubts about this one.

[Cohollow]

It's good that my garrison won't affect later play throughs. I've been messing around with training up different weaknesses and strengths and have found that enraged by graugs, caragors and beastial frenzy are very easy to get on my orcs. I just go around letting them slaughter every beast I can find. Releasing beasts from cages in my fort seem to be the easiest way to get this hates. I had one orc that's dazed by graugs and have been trying to snap him out of his daze just long enough to get him to hit the graug with a killing blow in hopes of fixing this. No luck so far. I may be able to get him to kill an allied Graug unintentionally since they dont daze him, but that's not an easy thing to pull off.

[Pandora]

Just be careful if you appoint them with caragor mounted Captains or beastmasters, I saw whole spots cleaned by infighting because one was raged by cara and didnt like how close his pal was xd.

[Cohollow]

I really wish I knew how to get rid of Exhaustion. It absolutely destroys good berserkers DX I also wonder if 6 is the maximum amount of hates an orc can have. I haven't been able to exceed this number with any of my berserkers. I'm on a bit of a berserker kick right now as I try to figure out hates.

On a side not, I feel like I'm in the sweet spot of my current play through. I'm level 66. The problem is that at lower levels the orcs are pretty weak in terms of traits, but at max level, you no longer have a window for training your orcs. I wish there was a way around this problem I always run into.

[Pandora]

Yeah exhaustion is troublesome, I remove it with CE but cant get rid of it legit I think. Be careful with big berserkers, if one has Bloodlust he will hit his raged friends to for instance, not to mention stray hits...

Its worse in postgame, ALL NEW enemies are around your lvl or more= no new traits for those who didnt rush and ended the game at lvl 40 (happens a lot, guess they dont understand the point of this game xd).
You should shame your guys but frankly its a hassle, if you dont plan to go online you dont need great traits for your guys.

At your lvl you should see good fighters in Vendettas, you should avenge some of our brothers if the target is interesting. Later you will mostly see assassins and "I let you kill me on purpose guys" so better get some before.

[Cohollow]

ya while i really love berserkers, i've had do dish out a lot of discipline due to them going ham and my allies. They should really tone down how focused they get on attacking allies. They will focus a friendly captain without stopping even after I revive the captain they just downed multiple times. It's a bit overly extreme. Definitely not good for fort defense, but a lot of fun as a bodygaurd or in the pits. That is until they face a defender that brutally punishes any enraged orc that comes at them.

I tend to reach the Shadow Wars around 60 to 70. I'd pobably be near maxed level if I didn't tend to save the Slaughter and Outlaw Showdowns for the end game. I tend to do this just so that I can add a lil spice back to the game once I've completed everything else that's of interest.

I actually didn't think you could recruit captains from vendettas, thanks for telling me that! I don't die too often, but when I do, it's because I was one shot by a savage assassin. That or I decided to let a slave or something kill me just to make something unique.

[Pandora]

I rather meant online vendetta, when you avenge some unknow players.

Tribes showdows for the end... you need to have not full control then, or it will be 1 vs 1 (I still didnt get the "the invaders slaughtered my boys scenario" so I dont know if its real.

Berserkers are also annoying in Assault Sieges, sometimes they focuse in 1 or several allied(s) except when they are against a foe or running to the next spot. Way to kill the flow of battle.

[Cohollow]

Oh sorry. I knew you meant Online Vendettas, but the way i went straight to talking about my own deaths probably confused things. What do you mean by "full control"? If by that u mean, owning every captain on the map, I never do that. I tend to fill one rows worth of captains so that I have a lot of enemy captains I can run into while I run about the map. Also what is this "the invaders slaughtered my boys scenario" you speak of? If its part of the outlaw and slaughter showdowns it must be very rare or not exist as I've restarted a played through the game at least a dozen times and have never seen it.