Just started, nemesis difficulty, things have so much health? How to play around this?

[Vynlann]

So I'm getting to the point where I'm about to lower the difficulty. I don't mind things being difficult, I don't mind narrow parry windows or things hurting. The problem I have is meager orcs have so much health.

I've heard nemesis difficulty is a good starting point since you're likely to experience more of the game. (Dying which in turn promotes enemy captains, captains putting up a good fight).

What I don't appreciate is how much health these meager orcs have. What am I missing if anything? I'm just coming off witcher 3 and AC:Odyssey, so I figured this would be a good transition and it has been for the most part, but this one point is driving me nuts. And I would hate to lose out on a strong point of the game (awkwardly dying) to lower the difficulty, so I'm not fighting grunts all day.

[thebadman]

If you wan to die in 1-3 hits but enemies are too much of damage sponges then try last difficulty setting, it buffs your damage.

[Vynlann]

Originally posted by KOP thebadman:

If you wan to die in 1-3 hits but enemies are too much of damage sponges then try last difficulty setting, it buffs your damage.

To be honest that's what it feels like right now anyways without me doing massive damage. So again am I missing something?

[Vynlann]

I literally just started, and I feel like I'm moving too fast. Not in a good way. The game took me to cirith ungol, and everything here is level 10-18 and there's far too many orcs to deal with in a timely manner. I ended up dropping the difficulty to normal and it still feels way too damage spongey on the normal orcs. It's quite nuts really.

I just did the quest with baranor and the captain I had to kill had a weakness to stealth attacks, but everytime I jumped into a stealth attack into him I'd just land on him as if he was going to attack but no damage is delivered. There were probably 20+ orcs in that fight, too many to deal with. I hear such good praise about this game, but it's becoming incredibly frustrating. I had to step away for a few minutes just to cool down.

I don't even think I get this upset with dark souls. Which is why I feel like I'm missing something but I can't figure out what it is, and losing patience to find out what it is myself.

[pokerhabs]

Originally posted by Vynlann:

I don't even think I get this upset with dark souls. Which is why I feel like I'm missing something but I can't figure out what it is, and losing patience to find out what it is myself.

I think I know what you are missing: This game is more like a sandbox. Yes, you are moving too fast. No time limits and no need to kill everything. Do quests when you feel you can take em.

So, take your time, don't rush anything. This whole game is all about hunting orcs and there are infinite number of em, you cannot kill all of em, new orcs will spawn and take the place of the ones you killed.

So, I hope I helped you understand more what kind of game this is.

[Pandora]

Its normal in the beginning, (dont forget to upgrade your swords btw). When you will be around lvl 20 at Nurn grunts wont be an issue anymore, its just in the start you have to execute most of them,+ arrows. Later it will takes 4 minutes minimum to kill a simple tank Olog if around your lvl xd. When they are 2...
Dont feel bad about rushing in the beginning, just try to let alive guys you like and when will get the Ring...
For crowd handling, well backing off may be a solution, or use environnement .Lot of cute fleas in Cirith Ungol. But if its this Black Heart Warchief, this fight is made to be messy, either focus on him to wrap it up or kill those sub Cap before for loot...

[JackNapier]

Originally posted by Vynlann:

I literally just started, and I feel like I'm moving too fast. Not in a good way. The game took me to cirith ungol, and everything here is level 10-18 and there's far too many orcs to deal with in a timely manner. I ended up dropping the difficulty to normal and it still feels way too damage spongey on the normal orcs. It's quite nuts really.

I just did the quest with baranor and the captain I had to kill had a weakness to stealth attacks, but everytime I jumped into a stealth attack into him I'd just land on him as if he was going to attack but no damage is delivered. There were probably 20+ orcs in that fight, too many to deal with. I hear such good praise about this game, but it's becoming incredibly frustrating. I had to step away for a few minutes just to cool down.

I don't even think I get this upset with dark souls. Which is why I feel like I'm missing something but I can't figure out what it is, and losing patience to find out what it is myself.

I just finished the game. Also went into it straight off Witcher 3. I completed the whole game on the brutal difficulty level which I also found massively frustrating in the beginning. 2 hits. Then you're dead. But keep at it because it does get better. There's a skill upgrade in the top line of upgrades - the last one in that line - thst gives you an extra last chance. This changed everything for me.

Also realise that for the first half of the game you're probably going to have to resort to hit and run stealth tactics on brutal. Especially when enemies are arrow proof.

Also.... Online vendettas do them. A lot. They give good XP in the beginning as well as gear that you can sell. Last, I would advise you equip white gems to armour in the beginning for added quicker XP gains. Change them out for extra armour later when you've reached a good level.

[shroomtek]

Originally posted by Vynlann:

So I'm getting to the point where I'm about to lower the difficulty. I don't mind things being difficult, I don't mind narrow parry windows or things hurting. The problem I have is meager orcs have so much health.

I've heard nemesis difficulty is a good starting point since you're likely to experience more of the game. (Dying which in turn promotes enemy captains, captains putting up a good fight).

What I don't appreciate is how much health these meager orcs have. What am I missing if anything? I'm just coming off witcher 3 and AC:Odyssey, so I figured this would be a good transition and it has been for the most part, but this one point is driving me nuts. And I would hate to lose out on a strong point of the game (awkwardly dying) to lower the difficulty, so I'm not fighting grunts all day.

I've been playing on nemesis ever since I begun, 40 hours ago. I don't know a difficulty lower than this, so it's quite normal for me; which may be partially fault to what I am about to say: It truly isn't immensely hard.

If you're struggling on this setting, then you're simply not destined to use it. Drop to easy or normal, bud. There's no shame in it, but you'll miss out on much of the fun.

If you're willing to endure and fight, start off by acquiring more powerful equipment and looking at a good skill tree guide to ensure that you pick the best upgrades for your abilities.

[Vynlann]

Originally posted by Dovah:

Originally posted by Vynlann:

So I'm getting to the point where I'm about to lower the difficulty. I don't mind things being difficult, I don't mind narrow parry windows or things hurting. The problem I have is meager orcs have so much health.

I've heard nemesis difficulty is a good starting point since you're likely to experience more of the game. (Dying which in turn promotes enemy captains, captains putting up a good fight).

What I don't appreciate is how much health these meager orcs have. What am I missing if anything? I'm just coming off witcher 3 and AC:Odyssey, so I figured this would be a good transition and it has been for the most part, but this one point is driving me nuts. And I would hate to lose out on a strong point of the game (awkwardly dying) to lower the difficulty, so I'm not fighting grunts all day.

I've been playing on nemesis ever since I begun, 40 hours ago. I don't know a difficulty lower than this, so it's quite normal for me; which may be partially fault to what I am about to say: It truly isn't immensely hard.

If you're struggling on this setting, then you're simply not destined to use it. Drop to easy or normal, bud. There's no shame in it, but you'll miss out on much of the fun.

If you're willing to endure and fight, start off by acquiring more powerful equipment and looking at a good skill tree guide to ensure that you pick the best upgrades for your abilities.

Normal felt the same without dying as fast (still die pretty fast honestly). I do sorely feel like I'm missing something which sucks cause I hear so many good things about the game. I just wish there was a video to kind of explain what to do in the beginning, what not to do etc. It just seems like most videos are aimed towards mid/later game or those who have played shadow of mordor.

[shroomtek]

Originally posted by Vynlann:

Originally posted by Dovah:

I've been playing on nemesis ever since I begun, 40 hours ago. I don't know a difficulty lower than this, so it's quite normal for me; which may be partially fault to what I am about to say: It truly isn't immensely hard.

If you're struggling on this setting, then you're simply not destined to use it. Drop to easy or normal, bud. There's no shame in it, but you'll miss out on much of the fun.

If you're willing to endure and fight, start off by acquiring more powerful equipment and looking at a good skill tree guide to ensure that you pick the best upgrades for your abilities.

Normal felt the same without dying as fast (still die pretty fast honestly). I do sorely feel like I'm missing something which sucks cause I hear so many good things about the game. I just wish there was a video to kind of explain what to do in the beginning, what not to do etc. It just seems like most videos are aimed towards mid/later game or those who have played shadow of mordor.

Funny, I actually feel like I'm missing something as well. Maybe it's my game installation. I'll try verifying the files later.

By the way, yes. It would be best if you played shadow of Mordor first. Just to get a grip on the basic mechanics, since they're quite similar in both games.

[Vynlann]

Originally posted by Dovah:

Originally posted by Vynlann:

Normal felt the same without dying as fast (still die pretty fast honestly). I do sorely feel like I'm missing something which sucks cause I hear so many good things about the game. I just wish there was a video to kind of explain what to do in the beginning, what not to do etc. It just seems like most videos are aimed towards mid/later game or those who have played shadow of mordor.

Funny, I actually feel like I'm missing something as well. Maybe it's my game installation. I'll try verifying the files later.

By the way, yes. It would be best if you played shadow of Mordor first. Just to get a grip on the basic mechanics, since they're quite similar in both games.

haha, I don't think my install is goofed, that'd be pretty weird though.

I may give shadow of mordor a try. I just didn't want to slog through it when I've heard shadow of war is shadow of mordor but better.

[Pandora]

dont say that, still people saying the opposite. Better avoid a war xd.

[Hydrax]

I started my game on easy. Stealth gameplay was my only style for long time. Now after 400 hours of gaming im playing on Brutal and any Captain is an easy kill without any stealth tricks for me.
The game contains alot of mechanics to learn.

[Vynlann]

Originally posted by Hydrax:

I started my game on easy. Stealth gameplay was my only style for long time. Now after 400 hours of gaming im playing on Brutal and any Captain is an easy kill without any stealth tricks for me.
The game contains alot of mechanics to learn.

I ended up dropping difficulty to easy. I can still get knocked on my ass but it's not as common. What I noticed most is things are easy to kill, which is nice. Regular orcs fall over easy as I would like. What sucks is captains do too. Which isn't what I wanted. But I guess it'll do.

[shroomtek]

Originally posted by Vynlann:

Originally posted by Hydrax:

I started my game on easy. Stealth gameplay was my only style for long time. Now after 400 hours of gaming im playing on Brutal and any Captain is an easy kill without any stealth tricks for me.
The game contains alot of mechanics to learn.

I ended up dropping difficulty to easy. I can still get knocked on my ass but it's not as common. What I noticed most is things are easy to kill, which is nice. Regular orcs fall over easy as I would like. What sucks is captains do too. Which isn't what I wanted. But I guess it'll do.

Why would you do that? Take two or three days to practice your dodging skills and overall combat, then go back to a higher difficulty. It's not that hard.

Use your glaive more often. Another great strategy, but slightly cheesy, is to shadow pull stronger orcs away from their allies and finish them with no interference on top of a watch tower, or something.

[Vynlann]

Originally posted by Dovah:

Originally posted by Vynlann:

I ended up dropping difficulty to easy. I can still get knocked on my ass but it's not as common. What I noticed most is things are easy to kill, which is nice. Regular orcs fall over easy as I would like. What sucks is captains do too. Which isn't what I wanted. But I guess it'll do.

Why would you do that? Take two or three days to practice your dodging skills and overall combat, then go back to a higher difficulty. It's not that hard.

Use your glaive more often. Another great strategy, but slightly cheesy, is to shadow pull stronger orcs away from their allies and finish them with no interference on top of a watch tower, or something.

I don't think you read the rest of the thread. My beef was never dying fast. It was that regular orcs took forever to kill and you get so overwhelmed in fights where the captains are immune to ranged attacks and stealth (or at least resistant) that you're forced to fight up close. I don't really have a problem dodgingn. And it's not permanent. It's to help me grasp it. I don't think this game is gonna keep me busy for long though. Something about the game doesn't really entertain me, I can't quite place my finger on it.