Fire warden and undeads

[Noddharath]

So, its pretty simple, My good n'old Herald died in a shadows of war endless assault before i could help him (thats really fast in brutal), i just got him ressurected as undead and then gave him legendary status from training orders and he become op as f*ck, so i rushed to put him as overlord.

I exchanged his olog effectiveness bonus for fire warden so his weakness would be balanced, but i want him to have thickened skin so he will be a madness in fortress defense.
Since i can't change his epic class trait (full healing from tank class), it just come in mind to a question.

The question is, giving fire warden to his actual bodyguards will ensure him the counter balance for the weakness to fire? If so, having multiple bodyguards having fire warden will endure him even more?

I don't know exactly how much fire warden deducts from fire damage, and if it aplies only to nearby grunts or if it applies to captains as well, and since this game doesn't provide numbers neighter detailed explanations, i want you guys who experienced or know about it to share your throughts.

A small picture of what i call op as f*ck

[Craig [K.A.O.S.]]

If you put fire warder bodyguards it won't help enough with his weakness to fire enough to make him tough for online players who attack your fortress. The only overlords that pose a serious challenge to online players have immunity to arrows, no weaknesses listed, and only 1-2 hints on the far right.

Also, I would recommend not using him in online pit fighting or online conquest, because fire is the most common weapons buff, and you will lose him again.

Just enjoy him as a great follower, and the history you have with him. After 1300+ hrs of play, the best orcs I have don't mean much to me, and the weakest ones seem like old friends with a lot of history together.

[Noddharath]

You can't shadow pull a olog, so arrows isn't a problem, he will enrage 100% of the time since one of the bodyguards is his rival and he is immune to freeze, so no pin as well.

So fire warden give it full bonus to unit having it and small bonus to all others nearby, thank you for explaining that. I don't use overlords for Duels, its pointless, better to just attack some fortress and get an Legendary training order for free than risk loosing a good uruk.

Edit: I did some tests and seems that fire warden nullify his flame weakness as the damage he receive is pretty normal just like other tank ologs even using Firekeeper cloak to keep him on fire longer, i did also a test with his actual bodyguard reinforcing him in a ambush against an earth scorcher and the damage he received was pretty giant, in a duel with him having fire warden against the earth scorcher again, he received a lot less damage from fire from the explosives and fire bombs even burning all time the duel lasted, till draw (the Earth scorcher is a destroyer).

I removed all of the possible damage reduction for followers just to make sure its the real thing people will face and also to see precisely the effectiveness in his hp bar, so i came to a conclusion that warden skills are pretty much to counterbalance (i don't know if completely but seems enough) their relactive weakness, but the buff they give to others isn't too much and seems multiplicative instead of adictive so its pointless to try having at all other uruks to mass stack it.

I'll keep him with fire warden and forget about thickened skin, he have 6 out of 8 possible imunities so i think he will be a challenge well enough (even if its a little too easy to fight against a olog) and two people have already failed to conquer it xD

[Ampyr]

Do you typically put rivals together? I've found that they tend to kill each other during battle. Maybe I am just unlucky but when I put rivals together and also if one of them has enraged by weakness then he will kill friendly dazed captains.

[Craig [K.A.O.S.]]

Originally posted by Rum-Ham:

Do you typically put rivals together? I've found that they tend to kill each other during battle. Maybe I am just unlucky but when I put rivals together and also if one of them has enraged by weakness then he will kill friendly dazed captains.

I didn't realize this until I attacked my own fortresses and my guys were killing each other. So, tough looking fortress teams were actually self-destructive.

[Noddharath]

Originally posted by Rum-Ham:

Do you typically put rivals together? I've found that they tend to kill each other during battle. Maybe I am just unlucky but when I put rivals together and also if one of them has enraged by weakness then he will kill friendly dazed captains.

Lol, thanks for warning xD