Ringwraith skill doesn't give invisibility or stealth anymore?

[viewport123]

I refer to this comment from 30 Dec 2017 (almost a year ago).

It seems the Ringwraith stkill used to give unconditional stealth? It doesn't now. That led me to complain that the Ringwraith skill is utterly risky and absolutely useless compared to Elven Rage. Well, I could spam Executions on a captain for like 5 times before Ringwraith mode ends, but that just gets adapted away fast.

Ringwraith is useless because I need to kill off grunt crowds fast so that I can focus on captains. And to kill off grunt crowds fast means I use Shadow Strike (Chain of Shadows). Headless corpses don't get reanimated when Ringwraith mode ends. Is there some gear that lets me kill as fast as Chain of Shadows? (I wear "Gain Focus on Kill" to keep up my Chain of Shadows.)

[Snowskeeper]

A single melee strike in Ringwraith still kills Grunts instantly.

Although, yes, Ringwraith is strictly inferior to Elven Wrath. That's a good thing, IMO. Elven Wrath is an incredibly boring skill.

[viewport123]

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

A single melee strike in Ringwraith still kills Grunts instantly.

Although, yes, Ringwraith is strictly inferior to Elven Wrath. That's a good thing, IMO. Elven Wrath is an incredibly boring skill.

I do agree. Shadow of War has become my better Dark Souls. What can I say, I love movies, and I do love WB.

I'll try one-shotting grunts and resurrecting them with their heads on.

UPDATE: Nope, it doesn't one-shot grunts. Playing on Brutal difficulty. Well, I can still spam Elven Light Poison to take down grunts for resurrection.

[Snowskeeper]

Yeah, I was wrong about that; sorry. It does seem to dramatically increase your damage, because I'm able to take down warriors and hunters in one hit? But many--particularly Defenders, and grunts augmented by nearby Captains in some way--will survive up to three.

I'm going to test whether it works with stealth kill wraith spam next.

[viewport123]

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

Yeah, I was wrong about that; sorry. It does seem to dramatically increase your damage

Yes, I believe melee damage does dramatically increase during Ringwraith mode.

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

But many--particularly Defenders, and grunts augmented by nearby Captains in some way--will survive up to three.

I've seen a large group (5-7) of grunts augmented by a captain to be arrow-proof. There goes my Shadow Strike chain. I had to fall back on the slower melee + Elven Light clear. Am really loving this Dark Souls style tactics challenge in Shadow of War more and more.

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

I'm going to test whether it works with stealth kill wraith spam next.

You mean you can, do this?:

1. Activate Ringwraith mode.
   
2. Run to high ground to wait out enemy status to turn non-red
   
3. Stealth kill chain

I think step 2 will already have Ringwraith mode run out.

[SomoneSuspicious]

If you want to thin out crowds I'd suggest trying the Hammer of War. You create a fire explosion instead of the normal blue one and it is really good for dealing with large amounts of enemies.

[viewport123]

Originally posted by SomoneSuspicious:

If you want to thin out crowds I'd suggest trying the Hammer of War. You create a fire explosion instead of the normal blue one and it is really good for dealing with large amounts of enemies.

Yup, you're so right. I only understood this when I took a step back to think through my experiences in the game.

Fire damage is always the 1st choice, if situation allows it.

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Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

A single melee strike in Ringwraith still kills Grunts instantly.

Although, yes, Ringwraith is strictly inferior to Elven Wrath. That's a good thing, IMO. Elven Wrath is an incredibly boring skill.

Get a "Wrathbringer" sword then come back and tell us that.
I can basically launch into crowds of uruks during sieges and keep performing executions and resurrections untilI get bored.
Instant army.

[Snowskeeper]

Originally posted by viewport123:

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

I'm going to test whether it works with stealth kill wraith spam next.

You mean you can, do this?:

1. Activate Ringwraith mode.
   
2. Run to high ground to wait out enemy status to turn non-red
   
3. Stealth kill chain

I think step 2 will already have Ringwraith mode run out.

I was thinking more "activate Ringwraith mode outside of combat, kill a bunch of Uruks, then use the crowd of new zombies to overwhelm the captain."

[viewport123]

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

Originally posted by viewport123:

You mean you can, do this?:

1. Activate Ringwraith mode.
   
2. Run to high ground to wait out enemy status to turn non-red
   
3. Stealth kill chain

I think step 2 will already have Ringwraith mode run out.

I was thinking more "activate Ringwraith mode outside of combat, kill a bunch of Uruks, then use the crowd of new zombies to overwhelm the captain."

I haven't tried this in Endless Siege or Online Conquest yet, but I feel that the Ringwraith skill is simply a "massive army builder". I would Elven Light a lot of grunts, then Ringwraith them back into the fight, then Elven Light any captains I'm trying to bring down, then Ringwraith to bring back any allied grunts I accidentally killed with friendly fire. This all sounds like I can have a massive standing undead army always supporting me.

The Ringwraith skill actually sounds like a lot of fun. I always lost a lot of my captains in Endless Siege mode. Maybe this will help a lot.

[viewport123]

Originally posted by The Narrator:

Originally posted by Snowskeeper:

A single melee strike in Ringwraith still kills Grunts instantly.

Although, yes, Ringwraith is strictly inferior to Elven Wrath. That's a good thing, IMO. Elven Wrath is an incredibly boring skill.

Get a "Wrathbringer" sword then come back and tell us that.
I can basically launch into crowds of uruks during sieges and keep performing executions and resurrections untilI get bored.
Instant army.

Wow. Haven't got that one yet. Guess I'm still playing the game! But wait, Wrath doesn't build up during Ringwraith mode. But I get what you're saying. In Ringwraith mode, Elven Light to kill off grunts. Outside that mode, use Fatal Might and Executions to quickly rebuild Wrath.

One question, though. Is that a lot faster than Consume (Lord of Wrath) in rebuilding Wrath? Using that, I could get full Wrath after consuming 4-5 grunts.

Yeah, I do use Ringwraith skill also to spam executions on captains.

[Yes, I have a Mic.]

Originally posted by viewport123:

Originally posted by The Narrator:

Get a "Wrathbringer" sword then come back and tell us that.
I can basically launch into crowds of uruks during sieges and keep performing executions and resurrections untilI get bored.
Instant army.

Wow. Haven't got that one yet. Guess I'm still playing the game! But wait, Wrath doesn't build up during Ringwraith mode. But I get what you're saying. In Ringwraith mode, Elven Light to kill off grunts. Outside that mode, use Fatal Might and Executions to quickly rebuild Wrath.

One question, though. Is that a lot faster than Consume (Lord of Wrath) in rebuilding Wrath? Using that, I could get full Wrath after consuming 4-5 grunts.

Yeah, I do use Ringwraith skill also to spam executions on captains.

Wrathbringer gives wrath on execution kills, including those performed during wrath mode. It gives more wrath than consuming, is generally faster and kills the standard uruk almost instantly.

From an empty wrath bar I can fill it up with four executions but I have taken some prestige levels in wrath and might so that may be a factor. My gear is also optimized to maximize might from every hit and kill at the same time as maximizing the damage resistance of undead uruks I raise in the process.

To give an example; during a siege I can use chain of shadows (aided by arcane dagger that grants 50 might per kill by itself) to get an instantly full might bar, do afew executions to get a full wrath bar, chop and raise until I can't find any more uruks. Rinse and repeat.
If you need to replace a living opposing army with an invincible undead army of your own yesterday this is the best way. Every throne room gets turned into Dawn of the Dead.