Middle-earth™: Shadow of War™

Middle-earth™: Shadow of War™

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why does every LOTR fan hate this game?
so why do their ans hate this game? the games are the only reason i bothered to watch those 4 hour long movies. they were enjoyable though their themes were much different from the game (very very light hearted). so i was wondering, i understand that this game changes a lot of dates and such and is basically throwing out the cannon and re-writing it. but;

it's still a good story. and it's still enjoyable (except the ending imo). anyone?
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Messaggio originale di Nan iChîr Gelair:
well maybe the thiriid act was bad
How was the third act bad? Besides being kinda short (and totally unreplayable sadly) I personally thought the Third Act was great. Act IV on the other hand... yeah. Houston, we have a problem
Ultima modifica da Dehya; 11 mar 2018, ore 16:44
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Messaggio originale di Nan iChîr Gelair:
well maybe the thiriid act was bad
How was the third act bad? Besides being kinda short (and totally unreplayable sadly) I personally thought the Third Act was great. Act IV on the other hand... yeah. Houston, we have a problem
yes you can replay missions. go to the quest menue, highlight a quest youve done and press replay.

it's bad cause it goes against celebrimbor's character from the first game, sure he was cold and mathotical. but he wasn't a sociopath. kinda annoyed me.
Messaggio originale di Nan iChîr Gelair:
Messaggio originale di Thane_Mantis:
How was the third act bad? Besides being kinda short (and totally unreplayable sadly) I personally thought the Third Act was great. Act IV on the other hand... yeah. Houston, we have a problem
yes you can replay missions. go to the quest menue, highlight a quest youve done and press replay.

it's bad cause it goes against celebrimbor's character from the first game, sure he was cold and mathotical. but he wasn't a sociopath. kinda annoyed me.
I know you can replay most Missions, but you can't replay The Bright Lord mission which was basically Act III. There are a few other missions you can't replay as well sadly, like the last Shelob Quest, The Fall. Shame too, since those two missions were particular highlights in my book.

Also, bit far to call all of Act III bad just because of its depiction of Celebrimbor isn't it? Sure, its a strange turn for his character to take, especially since it seemingly contrasts his character from the first game (though if you watch his character closely througout all of Shadow of War it may not be a totaly surpise. I don't think they pulled this character shift totally out of nowhere.) but other than that, its a pretty epic Act in my book.

You got two epic siege type missions, a betrayel from two close allies, two epic boss fights and two new abilities. (Hmm, alot of "two's" in this act lol.) Personally my only problem with this act is that it was followed by such a disappointing Fourth Act which you had to grind out to beat the game. (Seriously, screw act IV man, that's the bad act of this game. Worst way to end the game ever, having players do the same mission 20 times in a row.)
Ultima modifica da Dehya; 11 mar 2018, ore 16:54
Man...this is some tasty stuff in here I have really enjoyed reading. I dont think this thread was a bad idea at all. I just wanted to say that when we acknowledge or point out personal attacks keep in mind that the standard shouldnt be and cant be perfection in an open discussion, that if we do point them out its to reframe the conversation not end it but keep it in flux just like a persons life, and that we kind of made a decision to go there already when we ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and got online to discuss basically anything. Anyways, sorry I know this is kind of off topic but I just thought it might be good to consider.
Yeah, this game pisses quite heavily on Tolkiens works. I'm not a huge fan of that myself. But as a game SoW can entertain, I just try not to think that it happens in Middle-Earth. I just concentrate on recruiting orcs.
Messaggio originale di Caligulas:
Man...this is some tasty stuff in here I have really enjoyed reading. I dont think this thread was a bad idea at all.
I agree. This thread wasn't a bad idea. I think it was good to try see things from others perspective. Certainly made for interesting discussion at any rate.
I happen to be one of those die hard Tolkienists. I don't hate the game per se. I just don't take it seriously. At the end of the day it's just an action game which I praise or condemn for its gameplay quality not story features.

But fine, let's indulge ourselves and talk about the story. One my problem is not that the game goes too far, but that it doesn't justify its goings far enough. In the books Shelob was a mindless, ravenous monster, of whom Sauron was most fond because of these qualities. Here they made her into a more complex character, with backstory and motivations, as well as a sort of revenge on ex-boyfriend thing going on (let's face it, who wasn't Sauron's ex at some point). But why? What is her deal? Where did she acquire this "true neutral" savior of the balance type persona? I think that the little cutscenes you collect aren't adequate to explain this bridge in characterization.

Ok fine, she doesn't have to say much, obscurity is part of her mystique. But as far as restoring the balance of the world goes, isn't that basically Carnan's schtick? So what exactly is it about Shelob that's not redundant?

Then you have the teenage girl captain of the guard, and the Azn nazgul sisters, and palette swap Tauriel from the Hobbit films. So they want to add more strong women. But at least make them into more than some two bit social agenda checkpoint. Why are they there? How do they become this way? What drives them to fulfill their role in the story?

There was also one very tiny little example which caught my eye. In one of the talks Idril says how great it was that Gondor was rid oppressive rule of kings, to which Talion responded that the more limited stewards still held too much power. Keep in mind that the end point of Tolkien's story was the restoration of the King, endowed with much greater authority than any Gondor ruler preceding him.

Where did this republican attitude come from? Was there a legacy of such thinking in Gondor? I'm not against that thought, but I would have liked it explored a bit more rather than just some assumption on behalf of the writers with respect to the attitudes of Gondor citizens as being in line with what most people consider today as the norm. It might be a trivial detail, but to me it would mean huge implications as to how humans in that setting reflected on the relationship between power and culture, which is a pretty big theme raised in these games at least as far as orc society is concerned.

The game has a story, but it's not well fleshed out, and the cultural and historical background of the writers clearly reveals itself to be far deficient of Tolkien's peer.
Ultima modifica da cjwasright; 18 mar 2018, ore 15:20
Imo, Tolkein's greatest potential goes with when he creates extremely long stories that are built up over generations and generations with a VERY tightly gripped yet somewhat tedious-to-know-it-all history and world design.


Yeah, he was able to do a good story - but he seemingly was best at carrying out his themes, stories and mottos through mostly timelines and expressing the themes over a millennia of history, which is evident to how packed Middle-Earth's history is, and most of the "little" cultural areas are quite saddeningly too easy to miss. This is probably why so few people can ever be bothered to reading his books, at first glance, they can appear quite empty and overexaggerated.

In terms of concepts, more than his simple, "Industry is bad, Nature is needed", motto's, there are many conceptual spotlights he could of expanded on, such as the consequences of industry more than just, "Oh, magical trees will kill you", or the real-life equivelant taken from his Isgenard's Downfall scene, "Tree Huggers will burn your house down", or "Some bad guy will make it worse because yes, it will, no evidence needed but it will happen though because it's a universal law,", or something... Hard to find a real-life equivelant to what is the omen of industry getting worse that doesn't involve Sauron in a business suit with his "Dark Lord", helmet on and going, "I'm gonna pitch-sale Middle Earth for $1,000,000 Dollars to build a WALL ACROSS MORDOR!"..
Ultima modifica da The Infinite Archiver; 19 mar 2018, ore 10:58
yea i shouldn't have started this forum
Simple it pissses on Tolkiens work that he put so much time and effort into ignores and disrespects the source material just to make more money.

They could of added some of this new content and areas into the no effort or content Shadow of Mordor without butchering the lore left right and center while ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on Talion and Celebrimbor even making you fight him (The MAIN Character) in DLC while you play as some chick no one cares about except people that want to be wymons in vidya games.

i aint a huge LotR fan and it obvious to even me, some poeple just have really low standards/just plain don't know better, watch the movies and say they are LotR fans that don't know ♥♥♥♥ about it because it became a popular fad.....
(go play Harry Potter then who cares how that series was whorred out, as it didn't didn't have a fraction as much thought and effort put into it as Tolkiens work)
Yeah, there is a limit to how much you can screw around when adapting Tolkiens works. The LoTR movies crossed the line several times, and I'm not going to even talk about The Hobbit movies. But SoW...Holy Poop...I can only watch in disbelief how much they have pissed on Tolkiens amazing work...I actually stopped playing this game. Not just because of this problem, but it's one of the biggest culprits still.
Messaggio originale di Nan iChîr Gelair:
yea i shouldn't have started this forum


What did you expect?
Messaggio originale di TarPalantir24:
Messaggio originale di Nan iChîr Gelair:
yea i shouldn't have started this forum


What did you expect?
for everyone to ignore it since thats the case with all my bug reports
Still finding it hilarious how a game based on a piece of literature similar to any other paragraph of words can cause people to get so triggered instead of getting over it like ANY capable Human being... ah the hilarity...

Oh well, "The Fool gets upset over the smallest of things", as they say... Kinda like how Henry The Eighth didn't shed a tear for his greatest allies of the Throne betrayaing him but got all upset about his marriage issues...
Ultima modifica da The Infinite Archiver; 20 mar 2018, ore 5:47
Messaggio originale di Ratak the Warden:
Still finding it hilarious how a game based on a piece of literature similar to any other paragraph of words can cause people to get so triggered instead of getting over it like ANY capable Human being... ah the hilarity...

How dare people want an adaptation of something they love to be actually faithful to its source material? I mean the gall people have to demand that something that is presented as a reasonably faithful adaptation by its makers to actually be a faithful adaptation and not just something that uses the source material purely for brand recognition.
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