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FruityNinja Mar 7, 2018 @ 11:59am
Gravewalker difficulty
Just started a new game on this difficulty and oh boy is it tough. Any tips for me, I'm finding it difficult getting two shotted and having no last chances :D
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#DWB#Baki Mar 7, 2018 @ 4:09pm 
Tactical retreats is a must! If you feel that your getting swarmed or your ass kicked, just RETREAT!

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Thiadon Mar 8, 2018 @ 1:12pm 
Originally posted by FruityNinja:
Just started a new game on this difficulty and oh boy is it tough. Any tips for me, I'm finding it difficult getting two shotted and having no last chances :D

Check the guides section. I've created a full gravewalker difficulty guide. Or you can watch the playlist here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcx_pGezhU&list=PLRZ3VvRlTTIqRezbDWPRwgp7GGDDUhW0D
~|BBEG|~ Mar 9, 2018 @ 8:49am 
As a fan of all the hardest difficulty settings in any game, I will say Gravewalker difficulty is in a realm of its own. I tried switching to it for about 30 minutes on my master game and quickly came to the conclusion it's not for me. There's "hard" and then there's "pure masochism" - it fit in the latter category for me.

That said, I've started listening to the above poster's guide - seems pretty cool. I may give it a go on a fresh game. Starting at level 60 with iffy gear was probably being thrown into the deep end a little too harshly. Unless I slotted 100% defense, every single Captain was literally 1 shotting me with no second chances... and even with all defense, it was like every hit from them brought me to 5-10% life. A fresh game might "ease" you in just a little more and get you used to the tactics you need to do to succeed in Gravewalker.
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Thiadon Mar 9, 2018 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by ~|BBEG|~:
As a fan of all the hardest difficulty settings in any game, I will say Gravewalker difficulty is in a realm of its own. I tried switching to it for about 30 minutes on my master game and quickly came to the conclusion it's not for me. There's "hard" and then there's "pure masochism" - it fit in the latter category for me.

That said, I've started listening to the above poster's guide - seems pretty cool. I may give it a go on a fresh game. Starting at level 60 with iffy gear was probably being thrown into the deep end a little too harshly. Unless I slotted 100% defense, every single Captain was literally 1 shotting me with no second chances... and even with all defense, it was like every hit from them brought me to 5-10% life. A fresh game might "ease" you in just a little more and get you used to the tactics you need to do to succeed in Gravewalker.

Definitely slot life gems for Gravewalker. Fighting without them at level 60 is asking to die from random attacks before you have a chance to react. Sure, fights take longer because you're doing less damage, but dps doesn't matter if you're dead. With life gems you can take a couple hits and still recover. Usually. You might notice in my Shadow Wars videos (episode 14) there were two or three times I still had to rely on my single last chance to keep me from failing. I'm just lucky the orcs didn't have no chance.
Last edited by Thiadon; Mar 9, 2018 @ 9:26am
Waiwai Mar 9, 2018 @ 10:29am 
I don't play the Gravewalker difficulty because it makes my legendary orcs die too easily.
d. Mar 20, 2018 @ 6:06am 
Originally posted by Thiadon:
Originally posted by FruityNinja:
Just started a new game on this difficulty and oh boy is it tough. Any tips for me, I'm finding it difficult getting two shotted and having no last chances :D

Check the guides section. I've created a full gravewalker difficulty guide. Or you can watch the playlist here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcx_pGezhU&list=PLRZ3VvRlTTIqRezbDWPRwgp7GGDDUhW0D

Might be a dumb question, how do you trigger Elven agility like that in the very beginning?
Gravewalker Difficulty - even harder than Miyazaki's Soulsborne games...
Last edited by The Infinite Archiver; Mar 20, 2018 @ 6:28am
Gravewalker difficulty is very close to perfect difficulty. Shadow of War gives you all of the tools to survive, and USUALLY its about player skill.

Here's a few tips:

1. Think tactically. You're fighting an army of orcs. They're stronger than you, but you're smarter than them. Identifying captain weaknesses is very important. Running is very important. Abuse everything in the book, because now its not abuse, its you having to play the actual game.

2. Don't. Get. Hit. Change your mindset. You're not awesome because you're a tank, you're awesome because those frustrated orcs can't do JACK to you. When in doubt, dodge. Watch for the "throwing" symbol from apear throwers and archers off screen. Dodge. Do not think.
Do not "try to get that last hit in". You are a skilled warrior with highly honed instincts. Dodge.

3. When in doubt, run and heal off a lone enemy. They can't heal, but you do. If you know one more hit is going to kill you, leave immediately.

4. Early on work on getting levels. Shoot for the "perfect counters kill orcs" before the arena mission. The "extra" last stand ability now gives you last stand. Get that as soon as you hit the level that you can grab it. Do the main missions, and tackle only the weakest of orcs. You are not a badass because you're more powerful than everything, you're a badass because everything is more powerful than you, but you have the skill, smarts, and tactics to kick them where they are weakest.

5. Realize that you had no skill on lower difficulties. The game was never hard. You were never good. Now? As you rise up, you will be GOOD. You will look back at your past self in lower difficulties and think, "How cute". When you die, its YOU, not the game. Well, barring certain exceptions.

7. You will hate warlord battles. They feel cheap sometimes to me. I actually "lost" a run when I ran into one at level 30 that had no weaknesses, poisen, random spam archery, and snipe. When you die, the orcs gain ten levels. Facing a level 60 with all of that crap, then looking at my last area and realizing a legendary orc has carved a swath through orcs and somehow became a level 60 warlord when I wasn't there, made me put the game on hold. I'm a good player. Be a GREAT player. Rise to the challenge of winning where someone else could not!
Do what everyone does in Soulsborne and just keep Rolling, that's another to add to the list just above me.
FruityNinja Mar 21, 2018 @ 10:20am 
I've got to the part of the game where you can brand and it's became so much more fun. It took a good hour of tracking and planning to brand my first guy. Since it's so difficult to brand someone since they go up 20 levels when they kill you, I'm kinda taking anyone I can get. I've had this nemesis who was a right pain in the ass, he came back and killed me which made him a level 53 warchief and I was only level 15. It took all of by three guys to betray him to finally take him down, he had sniper shot, quick shot and power shot so if I got detected before getting up close it was game over. Yup, having fun with gravewalker difficulty now, it's tough but I'm getting the full experience of shadow of war
filmstudy21 Mar 28, 2018 @ 1:13am 
I am now on the final Minas Morgul fight (Witch King plus 0 then 2 then 4 Nazgul snipers) and I find it to be nearly impossible to get the timing down. I keep hitting spacebar prematurely to dodge when the WK shows the "E" allowing domination. That's truly frustrating to watch in slow motion. More frustrating is the fact you are stuck in the mission once you start it.

Level 57 now, which I don't think makes too much of a difference in the boss fight and I've tried all sorts of different abilities (shadow strike, fast moves in stealth, etc.) to beat him, but I can't seem to get over the hump. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Leading to this point, I'd say everything was fairly easy after level 10 or so, but I had a good idea of the build I wanted for abilities. On Gravewalker I find myself:

1. Using a much broader set of combat abilities.

2. "Keying" into stealth attacks involvving a group with a captain, by making sure the initial target is a grunt. That helps avoid follow-up attacks from the captain and escape quickly (usually by altitude inside the forts).

3. The highest ground is where I like to set up in forts for OV missions on the roof levels where captains and grunts won't follw you, but you can make of the combination of 2 vendetta items and a cloak where all health is returned on a stealth kill to "clear the roof below" with ice might shots that send the grunts scattering, even if the captain is immune. When on the high ground, you always need a minimum of 3 arrows to dominate the odd caragor that CAN climb to teh top of the highest buildings and occasionally with a rider. When that happened, I shot the rider, then dominated the caragor with 2 arrows.

4.. I found OV missions were essential to "stop the clock" on regular advancement which would quickly outpace character growth.

5. Orc Weaknesses are more important than ever, particularly those that terrify. I think it's a good strategy to powerlevel opposing orcs who can be terrifierd, because they can be scared off from high XP-value nemesis missions consistently. In particular, I had a 65 orc, I could regularly deny on a Minas Morgul Caragor Hunt mission that was worth 19,000 XP in the low 40's (with 103% XP boost). The only reliable method to get orc intel on Gravewalker was to use shadowstrike to dominate worms. Otherwise, they are very wily at getting away and can toss explosives.

6. You will need to be an absolute master of swapping gear. I keep gear in a separate spreadsheet next to the gaming machine to easily compare abilities of items for any circumstance. It's like carrying around a set of 40-50 golf clubs you'll use in various circumstances. The dagger is the most swapped item, because you'll need a set of gear to rapidly build wrath (bright lord gear, 6 wrath/stealth kill dagger, 3 wrath armor, etc.) and another to build might with a dagger that generates 50 might per stealth kill as the primary item. In addition, gathering arrows with chain steralth kills (there is a dagger with 3 elf-shot per stealth kill) is probably the fastest and safest method. With the cloak that regains all health on a stealth kill, you have a powerful combination to keep health full while gaining wrath/might/elf-shot and can translate that to offense with headshots or up to 4 mighty shots for 2 bars of might plus 80% of health via the first vendetta perk.

7. It's absolutely essential to maximize abilities and focus for chain stealth kills. With a level 60 dark legendary dagger, a lvl 60 legendary ring of any sort, and the best abilities for chain stealth (I may also have had a 15 focus recovery/kill item), you can kill up to 7 grunts per attack with full focus.

8. I found it valuable to maximize damage reduction from ranged attacks. It's possible to have both armor and a cloak with 40% reduction, but I'm not sure if that is applied arithmetically or geometrically (80% less or 64% less). Beyond that, the armor I kept sweapping in was primarily "Take no damage from poison", adding a benefit while cursed (reduced incoming damage is best), or enhancing wrath generation.

9. The spreadsheet I use to compare items keeps them in the same order as they are shown in your inventory, which I find to be a huge help for making swaps, but I still wish the game allowed the player to hotkey a set by purpose. Please let me know if you have a workaround.

I'm interested to see hints from others to survive/thrive at the Gravewalker level. I use a good portion of the abilities, but I have never tried to master the glaive, for example.
filmstudy21 Mar 28, 2018 @ 1:20am 
One more important note on Gravewalker. Elven Rage is very important and it is probably obvious (but bears mention) that it's useful to build wrath with a specialized set of gear including Bright Lord doubling, but shed to no more than 1 Bright Lord item when it's time to expend the wrath on Elven Rage so you won't have the 50% reduction in Rage time.

Ideally, arrow attacks with frost will allow you to stay trained on the head during elven rage, which can greatly increase DPS.
$Dominu$ Mar 29, 2018 @ 6:36am 
'Retreat and live another day to fight'
Anyways id suggest,a good bodyguard possibly a shield beared
first bodyguard i ever had was a shield bearer and had two caragors with him always,so its a good distraction,
Last edited by $Dominu$; Mar 29, 2018 @ 6:38am
Thiadon Apr 9, 2018 @ 8:45am 
Originally posted by d.:
Originally posted by Thiadon:

Check the guides section. I've created a full gravewalker difficulty guide. Or you can watch the playlist here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcx_pGezhU&list=PLRZ3VvRlTTIqRezbDWPRwgp7GGDDUhW0D

Might be a dumb question, how do you trigger Elven agility like that in the very beginning?

Sorry, didn't notice this question when asked. It's not elven agility, it's just using focus to sprint, which you have from the start. Specifically, on the xbox controller, press in the left stick by default.

As for the rest, I give tips on builds, what to gear for when, etc. throughout the guide. Follow the guide and you should survive. Although I might do a new playthrough when the big upcoming changes come as it sounds like it will be a very different experience.
Last edited by Thiadon; Apr 9, 2018 @ 8:50am
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