Can someone explain why the pit AI for dominated orcs is trash?

[can'tdecide]

Level 23, 22 and 20 all killed by level 15 captains........yet my lvl 21 and 22 captains hardly even dent the level 25's......Not only is the difficulty scerwed heavily against your orc but the AI is complete garbage and half the time they stand there until they get combod 3 or 4 times....

[RuleofTwo]

Traits/skills are more important than levels with factoring in victories in pit fights. 15/25 aren't all that different in levels. When an orc of mine gets killed, I avenge him and just recruit the better orc. Yeah the AI is annoying but if you have a really good orc trait wise, he likely isn't dying easy

[KGB7007]

They have personalities, the more I figure out the complexity of the nemesis game, the more I'm impressed with it.

Sounds like you have a passive one, good pit fighters are super agressive and usually have health boost from attacks and super strong. Look for an epic feral berserker with thick skinned, charge, rabid, and other fun stuff, enraged when others get enraged is fun too. He'll give you plenty of beatdowns to watch.

I've had level 15's smoke level 45's in 3 hits, level isn't that big a deal.

[Bryan=0101]

I've also noted things like when gang memebers attack orc capitains seem to hang back.

This is most notable w/ olog hai gangs

[can'tdecide]

Originally posted by Furi0sa:

Traits/skills are more important than levels with factoring in victories in pit fights. 15/25 aren't all that different in levels. When an orc of mine gets killed, I avenge him and just recruit the better orc. Yeah the AI is annoying but if you have a really good orc trait wise, he likely isn't dying easy

Really......I have a range proof orc and he gets brutalized to death by a spear throwing orc.....

[Sansei Muramasa]

Well I’m level 60 and level 60 orcs are literally beasts. My overlord is a legndary as well so my fortress is lit!

[can'tdecide]

Originally posted by 101=5, bryan=5:

I've also noted things like when gang memebers attack orc capitains seem to hang back.

This is most notable w/ olog hai gangs

Lol I love watching my orcs gang shoot at his back...

[Craig [K.A.O.S.]]

Only when they are enraged do they seem to fight, otherwise they stand around and watch the grunts or caragors. So put one in that is enraged by everything and see if he fights better.

[Nano]

What are the best pit fighting classes? I find berserkers and defenders are pretty great, while sharpshooters are trash.

Also, is it just me or do the gangs do little to no damage?

[Toast]

Originally posted by 5009craig:

Only when they are enraged do they seem to fight, otherwise they stand around and watch the grunts or caragors. So put one in that is enraged by everything and see if he fights better.

This.

Also, in pit fights, only x amount of AI can attack one target at once. So, you'll often find your Captain (with a gang), just standing around while his grunts attack.

[Solvaring]

Yeah, the AI for pit fights is trash, sometimes it's stacked against you and sometimes against the other guy but it's trash. I've gone over this in my streams at times. I just put in a level 46 epic orc with tons of good traits against a regular 46 orc and my guy got his ass handed to him because he seems to sometimes just freeze up and stops attacking.

That's why you gotta make sure to Alt-F4 just before or just as your guy dies, it's cheap but it will save your orcs when the fight is obviously unfairly stacked against you.

[can'tdecide]

Originally posted by Solvaring:

Yeah, the AI for pit fights is trash, sometimes it's stacked against you and sometimes against the other guy but it's trash. I've gone over this in my streams at times. I just put in a level 46 epic orc with tons of good traits against a regular 46 orc and my guy got his ass handed to him because he seems to sometimes just freeze up and stops attacking.

That's why you gotta make sure to Alt-F4 just before or just as your guy dies, it's cheap but it will save your orcs when the fight is obviously unfairly stacked against you.

Good tip, I took half the damn captain roster just to watch them die in the pit to weaker enemies. It was disgraceful especially because some of them were hard to kill and aggressive as ♥♥♥♥.

[Solvaring]

And what I seem to notice most of the time is that I can't go dominate the winner because they have iron will :(

[Gespenst Gaming]

Equip Green gems on t he ring slot and get a 50% less damage for allied uruks ring and never take it off. Always win never die. (except for mortal vulnerabilities)

[can'tdecide]

Originally posted by Gespenst Gaming:

Equip Green gems on t he ring slot and get a 50% less damage for allied uruks ring and never take it off. Always win never die. (except for mortal vulnerabilities)

Great tip I was looking at the pieces of gear and perks that increase followers dmg and defense. Have a ring that cuts the dmg they take by half. Gonna experimet on a set of gear specifically for the pits just to make up for crap ai. Also gonna hunt for more orcs enraged by everything because that's the only way they attack continuously.

[Toast]

Ologs seem to be pretty good pit fighters; especially ones with flame/poison weapons. They can't be picked up or jumped on via some of the other orcs or caragors. So that's a positive. Once they are enraged, they can deal out massive punishment. Granted, they have larger hitboxes, so versus an Archer, they might not fare as well.

Sometimes they get out of sync with their grab attack and missing, but they generally are pretty consistent.