Is Talion one of the most powerful persons in Lord of Ring history?

[Gut]

I reviewed the movie and guess that Talion can easily crash the whole army of Gandalf and Gondor, especially after equipping the new ring.

[The Captain Of Nothing]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Roderick:

Diposting pertama kali oleh WonderMan @Steelseries Power:

Gandalf is easily beaten by Witch King of Angmar, he's not gonna last 10sec against Talion and Celebrimbor with a Ring of Power.

How so? The Witch King is a wraith, a human ghost empowered by a ring crafted by an elf. Gandalf is a lesser angel, above elves and humans. Oo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TTB5t_4Nlc

[Arvaos]

The storyline isn't great as reviews mentioned and the game isn't lore friendly. It is better to see the game as separate and just a fan fiction novel.

[Roderick]

@ Wonderman:
As far as I know, that never happend in the books. Someone knows that for sure? It has been a while I did read the books. ^^'

Diposting pertama kali oleh Synth3D:

The storyline is part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ canon.

Any source for that, because there just have been some links that it isn't?

[Arvaos]

The storyline isn't part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ canon.

The game is a quick cash grab by WB and they tried to make the storyline seem epic with trailers of Sauron to excite the casual fans of Lord of the Rings.

[The Captain Of Nothing]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Roderick:

@ Wonderman:
As far as I know, that never happend in the books. Someone knows that for sure? It has been a while I did read the books. ^^'

Diposting pertama kali oleh Synth3D:

The storyline is part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ canon.

Any source for that, because there just have been some links that it isn't?

It did not happen in the books, but Talion also didn't happen, and the game was mostly based off the movies, you play as an overpowered wraith yourself.

[liljay273]

Diposting pertama kali oleh WonderMan @Steelseries Power:

Diposting pertama kali oleh liljay273:

No not by a long shot. Him and his Army could beat the fellowship tho. Gandalf would probably stop him depending on how much power he could be allowed to use

Diposting pertama kali oleh chrisbutler2765:

For all we know, if Gandalf is as powerful as Saruman and Marwen, he could easily eject Celebrimbor from Talion's body.

Though a quick unaware arrow to the head would end Gandalf right then and there.

Rest of the Fellowship? Heck yeah!

Presuming that Celebrimbor can see persons using the One Ring using his Wraith vision though, he could also easily take out Frodo.

Gandalf is easily beaten by Witch King of Angmar, he's not gonna last 10sec against Talion and Celebrimbor with a Ring of Power.

That's why I said depending on how much power he is allowed to use. Talion stomps any version of Gandalf that manifested in middle earth. But a Gandalf who isn't restricted by mortal form would beat Talion or compete at the very least. Talion is stronger tho. I mean Celebrimbor has fought Sauron and seemingly defeated him. In a war situation tho things could happen like Sauron falling to Isildur

[Stuxnet]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Synth3D:

The storyline isn't part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ canon.

The game is a quick cash grab by WB and they tried to make the storyline seem epic with trailers of Sauron to excite the casual fans of Lord of the Rings.

Perhaps, but it is cool to think about!

[Arvaos]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Spectrum:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Synth3D:

The storyline isn't part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ canon.

The game is a quick cash grab by WB and they tried to make the storyline seem epic with trailers of Sauron to excite the casual fans of Lord of the Rings.

Perhaps, but it is cool to think about!

I agree, the characters are well designed in the game but I can't support the lootboxes.

I suppose I could just watch a YouTube movie of the cutscenes to see the story though.

[Director]

Diposting pertama kali oleh WonderMan @Steelseries Power:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Roderick:

How so? The Witch King is a wraith, a human ghost empowered by a ring crafted by an elf. Gandalf is a lesser angel, above elves and humans. Oo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TTB5t_4Nlc

A machination of the film, completely contradictory to the lore and created only for cinematic tension. The books and the works straight from Tolkien should be the only reference point here. They never fought in the books, had they, Gandalf would've certainly won. In a hypothetical showdown made up by Tolkien himself, Gandalf was the only one that could contend with Sauron if Sauron got the ring.



As far as Talion's power; who knows. As far as I know, he isn't even canon so doesn't matter anyway.

[Sofia]

Talion is pretty powerful by the standards of the current age, however, you have to remember that the further history moves in Middle-Earth the more and more magic dies off.

Any single character from the First or Second Ages would wipe the floor with Talion because those ages operated on absurdly different power scales. Eras where dragons and balrogs were common, where the wizards weren't even in the top 10 most powerful people, where the literal gods who created the world walked it and fought in it. Eras where if an elf wanted to kill a dragon he flew a ship into the sky and crashed into the dragon like a star falling from the sky.

It was wild and it's hard to believe the LotR/Hobbit eras are part of the same history.

But as concerns the current age, it's hard to say if Talion is the top dog or not. As as been mentioned, someone like Gandalf or Saruman could probably expel or banish a wraith, but at the same time they're kind of stuck in mortal bodies so they're "easy" to kill and it comes down to who gets the surprise attack. Sauron is pretty beefy but in the books he gets beaten by Gandalf 1v1 as the Necromancer so he's really not in a state to really challenge much of anyone directly. The Witch King and the Nazguls are powerful too but they're more comparable to Talion without all his mind control powers: they're expert combatants with weird physica combat-related magic but technically not all that threatening since mortals can hold their own against them.

[IJSKOUDEMELK]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Synth3D:

The storyline isn't great as reviews mentioned and the game isn't lore friendly. It is better to see the game as separate and just a fan fiction novel.

Before Shadow of Mordor was released they already mentioned it wont be 100% accurate.
It would be build on the Tolkien universe but changed for gameplay reasons.

[The Captain Of Nothing]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Director:

As far as Talion's power; who knows. As far as I know, he isn't even canon so doesn't matter anyway.

"who knows?" You obviously haven't played the game as intended lmao. Talion rekts anyone in J.R.R's universe, and the game was based off the movies as I previously said.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Director:

Diposting pertama kali oleh WonderMan @Steelseries Power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TTB5t_4Nlc

A machination of the film, completely contradictory to the lore and created only for cinematic tension. The books and the works straight from Tolkien should be the only reference point here. They never fought in the books, had they, Gandalf would've certainly won. In a hypothetical showdown made up by Tolkien himself, Gandalf was the only one that could contend with Sauron if Sauron got the ring.

This scene was only added because Peter Jackson did not care to explain why Éowyn beat the Witch King of Angmar this easily, to show his great power they had to add this Gandalf scene, which was great overall.

[TarPalantir24]

Talion does not exist in Middle-earth. The developers just love to ♥♥♥♥ on the source material and their awful fanfic is prove of that.

[Cpt.Syringe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TarPalantir24:

Talion does not exist in Middle-earth. The developers just love to ♥♥♥♥ on the source material and their awful fanfic is prove of that.

They just took Hurin's nick name Talion and made up this character.

[TarPalantir24]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cpt.Syringe:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TarPalantir24:

Talion does not exist in Middle-earth. The developers just love to ♥♥♥♥ on the source material and their awful fanfic is prove of that.

They just took Hurin's nick name Talion and made up this character.

Hurin's epithet was Thalion. Giving the developers the credit Talion comes from the latin lex talionis (an eye for an eye)