This game does not like the lore does it?

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Well, there's a part missing in the movies, that actually explains the death of the Witch King.

Merry stabbed the Witch King with his Barrow-blade, that broke the spells that protected him, which made it possible for him to be slayed.




Well, yeah. I mean everything is answered with a "Well what if .. ? "

I checked this the borrow blade is not unique there an number of them made specifically to fight and kill the witch king and his army so could there not be used to kill other nazguls some even in the conflict that made blades be forged?
The killing of the wraiths I mean.

Well, from what we KNOW, there's only 4. And was giften by Tom Bombadil.. The most random and enigmatic dude in Tolkien's world, and one of the oldest beings in the world.

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I checked this the borrow blade is not unique there an number of them made specifically to fight and kill the witch king and his army so could there not be used to kill other nazguls some even in the conflict that made blades be forged?
The killing of the wraiths I mean.

Well, from what we KNOW, there's only 4. And was giften by Tom Bombadil.. The most random and enigmatic dude in Tolkien's world, and one of the oldest beings in the world.

Yes only 4 created in an war against the witch king's arme made to slay him and the other nazguls where present is that such an stretch that some where killed and replaced?

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Helm Hammerhand. Isildur and the third guy were never Ringwraiths and all three died before Nazgul were a thing.

However, you're sorta wrong there. The Nazguls appeared a thousand years, -BEFORE- Isildur was born.

Mean the modern Necromancer era Nazgul. And yeah Isildur and Helm Hammerhand were both after the original 9 (and only 9 for that matter) appeared. Its fine why they did it in this game imo. Again I sperate the two so it doesnt bother me.

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Well, from what we KNOW, there's only 4. And was giften by Tom Bombadil.. The most random and enigmatic dude in Tolkien's world, and one of the oldest beings in the world.

Yes only 4 created in an war against the witch king's arme made to slay him and the other nazguls where present is that such an stretch that some where killed and replaced?

Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

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However, you're sorta wrong there. The Nazguls appeared a thousand years, -BEFORE- Isildur was born.

Mean the modern Necromancer era Nazgul. And yeah Isildur and Helm Hammerhand were both after the original 9 (and only 9 for that matter) appeared. Its fine why they did it in this game imo. Again I sperate the two so it doesnt bother me.

I'm not really bothered by this. I just enjoy debates. It's a fun game, and I actually like Shelob, but Isildur felt cheap tho, gotta say.

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Yes only 4 created in an war against the witch king's arme made to slay him and the other nazguls where present is that such an stretch that some where killed and replaced?

Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

Its interesting though as Gandalf makes reference that aside from the 16 Rings made by Sauron & Celebrimbor and the 3 rings forged by Celebrimbor himself and the One that rules them its implied there are others of little note that arent affected by the One. And thatt they were forged as practice but still ontain power.

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Yes only 4 created in an war against the witch king's arme made to slay him and the other nazguls where present is that such an stretch that some where killed and replaced?

Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

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Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

Its interesting though as Gandalf makes reference that aside from the 16 Rings made by Sauron & Celebrimbor and the 3 rings forged by Celebrimbor himself and the One that rules them its implied there are others of little note that arent affected by the One. And thatt they were forged as practice but still ontain power.

Yeah, and Gandalf himself wears one of the 3 Elven Rings, but he also says that they contain little of actual "Power".

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Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

Gandalf slew a Balrog.. Pretty sure he knows how too fight.

Also, Nazguls are actually.. you know.. INVISIBLE too the human eye, and can only be seen when they want to be seen, so being randomely backstabbed outside the field of Battle is a.. stretch, and even so, it would only work with FROM WHAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW, with1 out of 4 known blades in the world.

Humans are arguably the worst fighters, next to Hobbits, in LOTR. They're not BAD.. It's just that the other races are sorta.. OP, especially the Elves.

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Or maybe they only managed to forge 4 before their kingdom fell?

If the White Council couldn't slay the Ringwraiths, then exactly who do you imagine could?

A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

Dol Guldur was a focal point of Sauron's power and where he manifested himself, making the Nazgul particularly powerful. When they are "defeated" they return to shadow to be... remade by Sauron immeditately. I imagine if Nazgul were defeated by anyone at the foot of Barad-dur it would be the same. The Witch King's defeat follows the same. If time prevailed he would have come back but Gollum destroyed the Ring and thus Sauron was left a shadow of a shadow and the nazgul, who were sustained on that Ring went with it.

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A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

Dol Guldur was a focal point of Sauron's power and where he manifested himself, making the Nazgul particularly powerful. When they are "defeated" they return to shadow to be... remade by Sauron immeditately. I imagine if Nazgul were defeated by anyone at the foot of Barad-dur it would be the same. The Witch King's defeat follows the same. If time prevailed he would have come back but Gollum destroyed the Ring and thus Sauron was left a shadow of a shadow and the nazgul, who were sustained on that Ring went with it.

Pretty much this aswell.

Just like Sauron, they were tied to the One Ring.

[Metadragon]

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Humans are arguably the worst fighters, next to Hobbits, in LOTR. They're not BAD.. It's just that the other races are sorta.. OP, especially the Elves.

Naw. The Elves have lived thousands of years. They perfect fighting styles which make them good, but not invincible. Men are the least long lived of the races but theres a reason they dominate Middile Earth from West to East with only an occasional enclave of Elves or a Mountain containing Dwarves or Orcs.

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A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

Gandalf slew a Balrog.. Pretty sure he knows how too fight.

Also, Nazguls are actually.. you know.. INVISIBLE too the human eye, and can only be seen when they want to be seen, so being randomely backstabbed outside the field of Battle is a.. stretch, and even so, it would only work with FROM WHAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW, with1 out of 4 known blades in the world.

Humans are arguably the worst fighters, next to Hobbits, in LOTR. They're not BAD.. It's just that the other races are sorta.. OP, especially the Elves.

Yeah an that is why an human defeated Sauron and an human and an hobbit defeated the witch king. Of course I mean in an field of battle the weapons where created in an war against the witch king to kill him so in one of those battles could one or 2 of the ring wraith get killed because they did not watched their back or boasted and got stabbed? The do like to boast at least witch king did.

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Humans are arguably the worst fighters, next to Hobbits, in LOTR. They're not BAD.. It's just that the other races are sorta.. OP, especially the Elves.

Naw. The Elves have lived thousands of years. They perfect fighting styles which make them good, but not invincible. Men are the least long lived of the races but theres a reason they dominate Middile Earth from West to East with only an occasional enclave of Elves or a Mountain containing Dwarves or Orcs.

Certain Elves would battle Balrogs and Melkor himself, they're actually gifted with POWER. Orcs are made for war and only war, and are great fighters.
Men are also great fighters, but they are mortals, and, generally, weaker than the other Races.

Also, it has alot to do with numbers. Humans are like bunnies compared too some of the other races.

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A human like the human who defeated Sauron or the human and the hobbit who defeated the witch king.
Espeicially when you stop and say I can not get killed and you are stabbed in the back.
Come on now the wizards suck they should learn from humans this people know how to fight and win.

Dol Guldur was a focal point of Sauron's power and where he manifested himself, making the Nazgul particularly powerful. When they are "defeated" they return to shadow to be... remade by Sauron immeditately. I imagine if Nazgul were defeated by anyone at the foot of Barad-dur it would be the same. The Witch King's defeat follows the same. If time prevailed he would have come back but Gollum destroyed the Ring and thus Sauron was left a shadow of a shadow and the nazgul, who were sustained on that Ring went with it.

Think about it in the book and in the movie they where killed by the river flood summoned by someone and got remade fast why was the witch king not remade after he was not killed by the hobbit and the human if what you say its true?