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Lasoor Oct 15, 2017 @ 4:37pm
Bruz The Chopper makes me sad.... (SPOILER ALERT)
When you shame Bruz and wreck his mind all he says is "I don't want the fort you can have the fort" in a very sad voice over and over again. I feel so bad for him because I liked that character, he was awesome. In my game I killed him afterward and then his 2 friends attacked me later and I killed them. Then later Bruz came back to life and attacked me saying the same sad stuff and I had to kill him a second time :(
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Azazael Nov 29, 2017 @ 10:00pm 
I felt the same, however, i found a little get around, mkae him the leader of the fort he wanted, then use all of your training on him, I made him legendary, granted him followers, made him a god, then I didn't feel bad anymore :)
Cesnek Nov 30, 2017 @ 10:43am 
Originally posted by Unbelievable:
Well, he wasnt super awesome... because, you know, he MURDERED YOU AND CAPTURED YOUR FORT.
you are immortal :DDD i loved him too :D but i enjoyed my revenge :)
Zephyr Dec 1, 2017 @ 9:58am 
I actually recruited Bruz again after breaking his mind. At that point you can actually make him an Overlord if you choose so, which is in one way the ultimate slap in the face.

But I didn't do that, instead, I kept him at low rank and made him fight in the pit. Interestingly enough, he's still alive. I guess his pit fighter skills are still intact, after all.

To be honest I really liked the guy, he was funny. Hell, Ratbag, "Ranger" and him are my favorite characters. I actually liked Ratbag in the first game, and I was really happy to see him back. The 3 of them have a really nice dynamic to boot.

One thing I will never understand though, is why the hell are the orcs so freaking british... They are way too litterate and hearing them go "bloody xxx" or "Are you daft" bothers me.
Darth Maudrek Dec 1, 2017 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by Zephyr:
I actually recruited Bruz again after breaking his mind. At that point you can actually make him an Overlord if you choose so, which is in one way the ultimate slap in the face.

But I didn't do that, instead, I kept him at low rank and made him fight in the pit. Interestingly enough, he's still alive. I guess his pit fighter skills are still intact, after all.

To be honest I really liked the guy, he was funny. Hell, Ratbag, "Ranger" and him are my favorite characters. I actually liked Ratbag in the first game, and I was really happy to see him back. The 3 of them have a really nice dynamic to boot.

One thing I will never understand though, is why the hell are the orcs so freaking british... They are way too litterate and hearing them go "bloody xxx" or "Are you daft" bothers me.
My guess is that their "britishness" is an homage of sorts to Tolkien, who was British himself. Or it's the Hollywood trope of using accents to emphasize differences between factions in a story.
I loved getting revenge. then i felt bad for him, branded him, and made him overlord of Gorgoroth
dobrowol Dec 1, 2017 @ 1:45pm 
I ran into Bruz(he was the Overlord) on a on-line fort conquest AFTER I killed him. He was muttering that same line aswell....
UtaHarakeshi Dec 2, 2017 @ 5:25am 
When I met Bruz for the first time I was like "This Olog is too much cool and friendly, I don't like it, he is going to stab me later for sure..."
Of course he did that so I hunt him down and killed him without hesitation... but he came back from dead so instead of killing him again I shamed him so much he is only able to mumble like a newborn and other orcs make fun of him for that.
Let that be a lesson for all of the others. :-)
Vinyl Wookiee Dec 2, 2017 @ 1:09pm 
It's sickening that people here are fine with breaking Bruz's mind and leaving him alive. Bruz was your first, and best follower who you screwed over ny not giving him a fort. Anyone would be pissed off if their were in Bruz's shoes. So he kills you, knowing full well you'll come back to life just to hold a fort which he had always wanted and should've had. There was no way he deserved the fate he got.
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Zephyr Dec 2, 2017 @ 1:53pm 
Honestly, from the first game, I've accepted a very important fact: We are not the good guys.
Orcs aren't exactly choir boys, but we've been brainwashing them since a long long time by now... Which isn't exactly an enviable fate to begin with. The whole Bruz situation is honestly something which bothers me for a whole different reason: Because it's Celebrimbor's stupidity. That Talion isn't exactly a shrewd politician, I understand. He's a ranger through and through, and didn't spent much time in circles of litterate people. But Celebrimbor? Guy is older than the stones of a lot of fortresses doting the Middle-Earth. He's versed in history, craft, politics, geography, archeology and probably various others domains.

And as Machiavelli put it, there is nothing worse in politic than neutrality. When you have to choose between two evils, if you pick none, both of said evils will ressent you for not supporting them. It's better to support one and lose along them, as even in your downfall, they will remember that you were there, holding the line with them, when they were at their lowest point. Making either "Ranger" and Ratbag, or Bruz, the Overlord, would have helped quite a lot. "Ranger" is actually smart, he would have kept Bruz in check, and/or would have forced to act sooner. Bruz may have been completely bloodthirsty, but he would have been a good asset to have, even if Overlord may not have been enough for him, in which case his ambition would have caused problems later anyway. But even then, the Bright Lord could have betrayed HIM, and justified his murder by saying he did it because he was too much of a pain for everyone, and all the orcs would have cheered.

But to come back to Bruz' fate, an exemple had to be made to keep the others in check. To put it simply: The best way to make people believe you're the strongest person in the place is to BE the strongest person in the place.

Nice or not, when two ambitions collide, one has to make way for the other. It could have been avoided if Celebrimbor had taken 2 seconds to think, but when things don't go your way, you have to be ready to pull the beating stick.

Hence why I keep Bruz around. Making an exemple is one thing, but parading him around regularly ensures that everyone gets the point. A lot of bad things can happen in Mordor. A lot of worse things can happen if you try to mess with the Bright Lord/Ranger Wraith.
Weasel Biggs Dec 5, 2017 @ 8:22am 
Originally posted by Orion:
One thing I will never understand though, is why the hell are the orcs so freaking british... They are way too litterate and hearing them go "bloody xxx" or "Are you daft" bothers me.

You have to keep in mind the fact that Tolkien didn't write this with much more than the European theatre from World War One in mind. Considering his own time in the field and where he was deployed, I doubt he ever came in contact with American troops or anything other than his fellow British nationals.

Add to that the way certain accents have always equaled stature or education, and you have a basis as to why the Orcs speak with what's essentially a wider take on the basic Cockney accent. Troy Baker'sTalion has a slightly Welsh bent, whereas Alastair Duncan went for a Received English Pronounciation approach to Celebrimbor - tinged with the requisite Elvish syllable stresses for the few Sindarin bits he spouts while purging the Haedir.

On the one hand, you have some scholars claiming that virtually anyone who isn't a Gondorian or otherwise in with the Fellowship is an analog for the Prusso-Austrian forces at the time - so these types tend to render the Black Speech or your average Uruk-Hai with so thick an Austrian accent that Arnie himself would blush.

Then there's those of the Saul Zaents or Peter Jackson schools, where going the Dickensian route and more or less assuming that a Cockney accent denotes someone of lesser stature or of a more brutish nature is standard fare for the Orcs.

Either way, it's more than a little offensive to the parties involved. It's not like Tolkien's concept for the dark races makes much sense, anyway, considering how Manichean he structured Middle-Earth to be. There's a few letters of his that involve his very grudging acceptance that some Uruk could be *less* objectionable or at least display a few honorable quirks - but he's dead-set in the idea that anyone who serves Sauron is Capital-E Evil. The Elves stand in for Mankind's best qualities, the Hobbits are our desire for comfort and familiarity made manifest, and the Men of Middle-Earth sway in either direction, as could be expected.

So yeah - Bruz speaking with an Aussie twang felt like a nice change of pace to me. Him being an optimist at the onset also helped. Tolkien might've made an entire species out of Negative Nancies, there's a point where a little levity helps.
LOL you're too soft for this game.
Shamed an orc, forced him to go kill his blood-brother. When the orc saw his blood-brother's cold dead body lying in a pool of blood, his guilty and anger overcame your control and he came to you for revenge. Then you beat him and shamed him again until he's deranged, and he could only weep and sob, repeating his dead brother's name who died at his own hands.
Then you cut off his arms and decapitate him, and he cheated death and coming back with a new body, but still the old broken mind, to be tormended for an eternity.
Last edited by Dweller Beyond the Threshold; Dec 5, 2017 @ 11:49am
Wallahluigi Dec 5, 2017 @ 5:17pm 
Originally posted by Tyrion_Lord_Imp:
LOL you're too soft for this game.
Shamed an orc, forced him to go kill his blood-brother. When the orc saw his blood-brother's cold dead body lying in a pool of blood, his guilty and anger overcame your control and he came to you for revenge. Then you beat him and shamed him again until he's deranged, and he could only weep and sob, repeating his dead brother's name who died at his own hands.
Then you cut off his arms and decapitate him, and he cheated death and coming back with a new body, but still the old broken mind, to be tormended for an eternity.
are you being bullied in school?
Inquisitor Prime Dec 26, 2017 @ 5:23pm 
Actually easy way to stop him from crying is kill him resurect him unassign him and sign him
Victory Dec 26, 2017 @ 7:32pm 
But he stab you from behind...
XxSwagMachinexX Apr 29, 2018 @ 9:03am 
Originally posted by Lasoor:
Originally posted by Caulin_26546:
OMFG I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THIS DISCUSSION.
yeah it breaks my heart :'(
its worse than death
I recruited him, but I think Im gonna have to put him out of his miserey


Yeah before I shamed him he was pssing me off and all I wanted to do was brutally murder him, but then I shamed him and it got really sad :(

He kept saying stuff like "I never wanted the fort, it's your fort" :(
Did all that to him over a stupid fort that I don't care about.

You don't do it to him because of the fort, the the story celebrimbor says that you do it to make an example out of Bruz to deter other orcs from also betraying the bright lord.
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