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XxRichardHeadxX Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:00am
explain the ending
so wtf just happened lmao..

did celebrimbor betray talion and decieve him?

he is no better than saulron and the bright lord is just as bad as the dark?

help me pls
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RasaNova Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:37am 
He didn't deceive Talion, but he did betray him by leaving him for another. And since it was Celebrimbor's spirit keeping him "alive" Talion's body reverted back to the moment of his original death as soon as they seperated. As far as Celebrimbor being no better than Sauron... Bruz nailed it when he said "Bright Lord, Dark Lord... Same thing, really."
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XxRichardHeadxX Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:43am 
Originally posted by RasaNova:
He didn't deceive Talion, but he did betray him by leaving him for another. And since it was Celebrimbor's spirit keeping him "alive" Talion's body reverted back to the moment of his original death as soon as they seperated. As far as Celebrimbor being no better than Sauron... Bruz nailed it when he said "Bright Lord, Dark Lord... Same thing, really."
Why did celebrimbor leave him?
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mark.v.sullivan Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:51am 
Shelob alludes to it as well, by saying Sauron and Celembrimbor are "one and the same" fairly early in SOW.

Throughout the series, though, Celembrimbor was always quite a bit darker than Talion.
Last edited by mark.v.sullivan; Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:52am
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Kiyohime Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:52am 
Because Talion disagrees with Celebrimbor's plans of dominating the Nazgul and Sauron. Talion wants to destroy Sauron but Celebrimbor wants to control Sauron and his army and as Shelob shown Talion in visions, Celebrimbor will dominate Middle-Earth.

BTW its not yet the real ending. There's a true ending in Act IV.
Last edited by Kiyohime; Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:53am
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Krono Nov 5, 2017 @ 2:59am 
Originally posted by RasaNova:
He didn't deceive Talion, but he did betray him by leaving him for another. And since it was Celebrimbor's spirit keeping him "alive" Talion's body reverted back to the moment of his original death as soon as they seperated. As far as Celebrimbor being no better than Sauron... Bruz nailed it when he said "Bright Lord, Dark Lord... Same thing, really."
I'd say that yes, Celebrimbor did lie to Talion. He lied to him the moment he met, since he told him that they were both aiming for Revenge when Celebrimbor's goal was to replace Sauron from the get-go
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RasaNova Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:13am 
Originally posted by Krono:
Originally posted by RasaNova:
He didn't deceive Talion, but he did betray him by leaving him for another. And since it was Celebrimbor's spirit keeping him "alive" Talion's body reverted back to the moment of his original death as soon as they seperated. As far as Celebrimbor being no better than Sauron... Bruz nailed it when he said "Bright Lord, Dark Lord... Same thing, really."
I'd say that yes, Celebrimbor did lie to Talion. He lied to him the moment he met, since he told him that they were both aiming for Revenge when Celebrimbor's goal was to replace Sauron from the get-go
That wasn't his plan from the beginning though, I think their goals just changed. Celebrimbor believed they had done all they could do at the end of SoM, and wanted to leave Middle Earth. Talion is the one who decided to stay, craft a new ring, and keep fighting Sauron. So in a way you could say Talion betrayed Celebrimbor in the first game!
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Kiyohime Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:15am 
I somehow believe that in some way. Celebrimbor was corrupted by the new ring. Not in a darkish way but rather blinded and further his own ambition. I did not believe Talion would betray Celebrimbor because he wanted to end Sauron.

In Tolkien's world. Power leads to corruption in MOST cases.
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Krono Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:19am 
Originally posted by RasaNova:
That wasn't his plan from the beginning though, I think their goals just changed. Celebrimbor believed they had done all they could do at the end of SoM, and wanted to leave Middle Earth. Talion is the one who decided to stay, craft a new ring, and keep fighting Sauron. So in a way you could say Talion betrayed Celebrimbor in the first game!
At the start of his DLC maybe his only plan was vengeance, but the One Ring pretty clearly corrupted him and by the end of that he was trying to replace Sauron. He got his ass kicked, his face got smashed in with a hammer, and he spent a thousand years wandering as a wraith. it's pretty clear at the end of the cutscene where he's watching Talion's family being butchered that he sees Talion as a tool immediately
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RasaNova Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:25am 
Originally posted by Krono:
Originally posted by RasaNova:
That wasn't his plan from the beginning though, I think their goals just changed. Celebrimbor believed they had done all they could do at the end of SoM, and wanted to leave Middle Earth. Talion is the one who decided to stay, craft a new ring, and keep fighting Sauron. So in a way you could say Talion betrayed Celebrimbor in the first game!
At the start of his DLC maybe his only plan was vengeance, but the One Ring pretty clearly corrupted him and by the end of that he was trying to replace Sauron. He got his ass kicked, his face got smashed in with a hammer, and he spent a thousand years wandering as a wraith. it's pretty clear at the end of the cutscene where he's watching Talion's family being butchered that he sees Talion as a tool immediately
Oh yeah I agree with you for sure that he saw Talion as a tool. I never played the SoM DLC, but at the end of SoW he straight up admits that Talion was never more than a vessal.

Side question... Is it worth going back and playing SoW with the DLC?
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XxRichardHeadxX Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:29am 
So how come talion isnt corrupt by the nazguls ring?
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Krono Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:29am 
Originally posted by RasaNova:
Oh yeah I agree with you for sure that he saw Talion as a tool. I never played the SoM DLC, but at the end of SoW he straight up admits that Talion was never more than a vessal.

Side question... Is it worth going back and playing SoW with the DLC?
SoM I'm assuming you mean, and you don't need to replay the game to do the DLCs since they're their own separate things. They're pretty good, and Celebrimbor's DLC is particularly good so they're worth a play
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Krono Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:30am 
Originally posted by Richard Head:
So how come talion isnt corrupt by the nazguls ring?
Finish the Shadow Wars and you'll see, or look up the final cutscene on youtube or something
Last edited by Krono; Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:30am
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XxRichardHeadxX Nov 5, 2017 @ 3:31am 
Originally posted by Krono:
Originally posted by Richard Head:
So how come talion isnt corrupt by the nazguls ring?
Finish the Shadow Wars and you'll see, or look up the final cutscene on youtube or something
K thx
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