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[VolnuttHeroP64]

If the TIE Defenders are the most powerful TIE Fighters in Star Wars, why doesn't the Empire use it in the Star Wars Cannon?

[Bob of Mage]

They have appeared a number of times in other places. The thing is that they are rare, so they won't appear very often. They have also been added to the "new canon" since they appear in the Rebels tv show.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Publicado originalmente por Bob of Mage:

They have appeared a number of times in other places. The thing is that they are rare, so they won't appear very often. They have also been added to the "new canon" since they appear in the Rebels tv show.

Why didn't they use them in Return of the Jedi along with the TIE Avengers? The Empire just restorted to using Standard TIEs instead of the TIE Avengers and Defenders.

Dorkly should release a video called: "If Vader had an Assistant" & the Empire would use TIE Avengers & Defenders.

[Bob of Mage]

Well for one they didn't exist when those moives were made. There was also no shots of B-Wings after the battle starts due to not being able to get them to work right.

In the Expanded Universe lore there were indeed TIE Defenders at Endor, but only a handful. Also T/Ds were not cost-effective during that era. They required more advance factories to make, and overall cost more. Secondly there was a large number of carrier ships in that battle that could deploy starfighters, so the hyperdrive didn't help much. It also doesn't help that the Empire had overwhelming numbers which allowed there to be many TIE Fighters for every A-Wing, X-Wing, or other fighter, and could just win the battle from sheer wieght of numbers.

So the question is would it be worth it to pull ships from other duties where they would make much more of an impact, or use the much cheaper option?

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Publicado originalmente por Bob of Mage:

Well for one they didn't exist when those moives were made. There was also no shots of B-Wings after the battle starts due to not being able to get them to work right.

In the Expanded Universe lore there were indeed TIE Defenders at Endor, but only a handful. Also T/Ds were not cost-effective during that era. They required more advance factories to make, and overall cost more. Secondly there was a large number of carrier ships in that battle that could deploy starfighters, so the hyperdrive didn't help much. It also doesn't help that the Empire had overwhelming numbers which allowed there to be many TIE Fighters for every A-Wing, X-Wing, or other fighter, and could just win the battle from sheer wieght of numbers.

So the question is would it be worth it to pull ships from other duties where they would make much more of an impact, or use the much cheaper option?

So Little to No TIE Defenders due to Budget constraints?

[Plantman Knows Where Plants Grow]

It's strategicly better to put 3 fighters on the field rather than have one giant fighter with the firepower of 3 fighters.
I think World War II tank designs show off this explination well.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Publicado originalmente por AGENT Plant Manson ★O.S.I.★:

It's strategicly better to put 3 fighters on the field rather than have one giant fighter with the firepower of 3 fighters.
I think World War II tank designs show off this explination well.

If Dorkly made another villian assistant video, he would think using normal TIEs in a 3 to 1 X-Wing odd is a stupid idea that he would point out to use both TIE Avengers and TIE Defenders more.

[Bob of Mage]

Publicado originalmente por AGENT Plant Manson ★O.S.I.★:

It's strategicly better to put 3 fighters on the field rather than have one giant fighter with the firepower of 3 fighters.
I think World War II tank designs show off this explination well.

It's more like 10 T/Is to 1 T/D or greater. T/Ds were insanely costly compared to other fighters.

Publicado originalmente por Jr786:

Publicado originalmente por AGENT Plant Manson ★O.S.I.★:

It's strategicly better to put 3 fighters on the field rather than have one giant fighter with the firepower of 3 fighters.
I think World War II tank designs show off this explination well.

If Dorkly made another villian assistant video, he would think using normal TIEs in a 3 to 1 X-Wing odd is a stupid idea that he would point out to use both TIE Avengers and TIE Defenders more.

However the Empire had no issue fielding far more then 3 T/Fs for each Rebel X-Wing. It was likely closer to 1 ISD per squad of X-Wings in the numbers game.

The Empire vastly out numbered the Rebels at Endor, yet the bulk of their fleet wasn't even there for the battle. They had a number of Super Star Destoryers, yet only one was at that battle for example. Most of the fleet was needed else where keeping order, and putting out every anti-Empire fire (by the time of Endor the Empire was quite hated thanks to the whole blowing up a planet of people who refuse any weapons on their world).

Since the Empire needs to be every where at once, they need tons of ships. They also need to limit the impact of any one who defects. So cheap starfighters that require a mothership means that it is very hard for some one to run off with any useful gear. You give someone a T/A and they could just make a run for it if they were tired of killing civies on orders from a bad CO. Next thing you know every would be Rebel signs up for the Navy and then defects the first time they are in a starfighter. It would likely be cheaper for the rebels to just start stealing fighters then ever trying to build their own.

[El Rushbo]

Do not read is you haven't played through the game. (Unless you don't want to be surprised when playing through)

The storyline of TIE Fighter explains the severe crippling of the Empire's production facilities by the renegade Admiral Zaarin. As a result, the Empire lost most of it's ability to produce TIE Defenders and TIE Advanceds.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Publicado originalmente por El Rushbo:

Do not read is you haven't played through the game. (Unless you don't want to be surprised when playing through)

The storyline of TIE Fighter explains the severe crippling of the Empire's production facilities by the renegade Admiral Zaarin. As a result, the Empire lost most of it's ability to produce TIE Defenders and TIE Advanceds.

Don't you mean the TIE Avenger & TIE Defenders?

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

Publicado originalmente por AGENT Plant Manson ★O.S.I.★:

It's strategicly better to put 3 fighters on the field rather than have one giant fighter with the firepower of 3 fighters.
I think World War II tank designs show off this explination well.

Tanks perhaps, but not planes. The P38 is what broke the Zero. A giant, fast, bulky heavily armed fighter was what took down the waves of light, nimble, lightly armed and armored zeroes. That's also due to japanese oil reserves and future plane development running dry though, it did take most of the war to reach a single plane hard counter plane.

Tanks should ideally never be in sight of what they're shooting at. They're mobile artillery pieces or mobile anti tank pieces designed to move with infatry in co-ordination. Having more Armor or a better gun is preferable to speed and manuverability. There were certainly large tank battles during WWII, but mostly between Germany and the Soviets who had designed their next gen tanks together in secret and were in more of a facotry output and later design race than anything.

[imrahil2]

Publicado originalmente por Jr786:

Publicado originalmente por El Rushbo:

Do not read is you haven't played through the game. (Unless you don't want to be surprised when playing through)

The storyline of TIE Fighter explains the severe crippling of the Empire's production facilities by the renegade Admiral Zaarin. As a result, the Empire lost most of it's ability to produce TIE Defenders and TIE Advanceds.

Don't you mean the TIE Avenger & TIE Defenders?

The Tie Avenger is the Tie Advanced X-2 so either term is acceptable.

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

Disney also destoryed all Star Wars EU canon so it's all moot anyway. Haven't even watched these "films". Like the last Indy, I've herad enough from others that have that it makes the prequels seem good.

[Jim Heckjumper]

*pushes glasses up nose and adjusts pocket protector*

At least in the old EU (not sure if any of this is still considered canon) the TIE Defender was just too expensive to be worth it. It was horribly over engineered, and while it was an amazing starfighter, it was just not worth the astronomical production and R&D costs associated with deploying them en masse.

I don't remember all the details but Palpatine's Empire also very much favored "shock and awe" tactics over quality. Hence hordes of expendable stormtroopers instead of clone commandos, and waves of TIE Fighters with expendable pilots instead of more advanced ones.

[An Ning]

It's nto the Defenders that you wonder about.. ti's the frikkin Missile Boats... if you had ONE FIGHTER capable of taking out whole CRUISERS.... why do you have a Death Star?

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Publicado originalmente por An Ning:

It's nto the Defenders that you wonder about.. ti's the frikkin Missile Boats... if you had ONE FIGHTER capable of taking out whole CRUISERS.... why do you have a Death Star?

They should make this into a dorkly joke; if Darth Vader had an assistant.