The MG42 is so OP

[Pillz]

Apartments will never be the same.

http://youtu.be/5kwAHsBMchQ

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

great, more hipfire cancer, exactly what this game needs

[Keijo]

What I don't get with tripwire is that when they make ro1, with very difficult recoil and so that when they have to change it to an easier format how can they manage to produce the biggest clown weapons of any fps ever.

[Kowalczyk]

RamboOverkill 2.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Well if you pick up an MG42 in real life you will find out it was designed to be hip fired.

It was a mobile machine gun. The Americans tried to copy the technique. Problem was it fired to slowly so it was less controllable.

Also how the ♥♥♥♥ do you get the MG42 in beta?

[Nasty Peep]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Well if you pick up an MG42 in real life you will find out it was designed to be hip fired.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Well if you pick up an MG42 in real life you will find out it was designed to be hip fired.

It was a mobile machine gun. The Americans tried to copy the technique. Problem was it fired to slowly so it was less controllable.

Also how the ♥♥♥♥ do you get the MG42 in beta?

in real life you had to move slowly to hipfire properly, in this game you can sprint and then a split second later hipfire with maximum accuracy

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Well if you pick up an MG42 in real life you will find out it was designed to be hip fired.

It was a mobile machine gun. The Americans tried to copy the technique. Problem was it fired to slowly so it was less controllable.

Also how the ♥♥♥♥ do you get the MG42 in beta?

in real life you had to move slowly to hipfire properly, in this game you can sprint and then a split second later hipfire with maximum accuracy

You are exaggerating. Just slightly. The maximum accuracy part.

The sprinting and stopping part is perfectly doable. Grab a 10kg tree branch and try it.

[Cuddle Bunny]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

in real life you had to move slowly to hipfire properly, in this game you can sprint and then a split second later hipfire with maximum accuracy

You are exaggerating. Just slightly. The maximum accuracy part.

The sprinting and stopping part is perfectly doable. Grab a 10kg tree branch and try it.

I tried this and got splinters :(

[Keijo]

Yeah well it's stupid mechanic to add in realistic games, noone has ever needed it for 20 years, if it would not be in the game noone would even think to request it, its just bad. It doesn't add anything to the gameplay but people can hate it so much they don't play the game at all.

[Nequis]

As if he recorded parts where he didn't hit his target while hipfiring...people are so stupid nowadays.

[IRDCAM]

Find me the 'super trooper' that can fire any GPMG/LMG from the hip, running, with it bouncing all over that can hit anything. I used to carry the M-60 with a shoulder strap holding it at waist level and I could suppress pretty well, but actually hit anything past 20-30m good luck. Does the current Bundeswehr advocate hip firing the MG-3 a modern version of the MG-42? And dear soldat can you hit anything with it?

And how much ammo can this in game 'super trooper' carry? 1200rpm, and only belt fed, try running with a 50-150 rd belt hanging off the gun and you. Usual load would be a 450 total rounds (weight and volumn issues) at 1200rpm, do the math. There were NO saddle tray magazines for the MG-42, just standard 50 and 150rd disintigrating link belts. Again just adding another 'balance' issue to a already skewed game.

BTW no US made WW2 GPMG could be 'hip fired' or attempted based on the M1919 design. The US Browning Automatic Rifle BAR, between the wars had a cup worn on a special waist belt that the trooper placed the butt of the weapon in the cup (left hip) and assault walked the gun suppressing the target area, accuracy was iffy at best, by mid WW2 idea was cast aside by troops actually doing the fighting as it was essentially a waste of ammunition.

[R5CYA]

Originally posted by Serzhant Patapov:

The US Browning Automatic Rifle BAR, between the wars had a cup worn on a special waist belt that the trooper placed the butt of the weapon in the cup (left hip) and assault walked the gun suppressing the target area, accuracy was iffy at best, by mid WW2 idea was cast aside by troops actually doing the fighting as it was essentially a waste of ammunition.

that just sounds like the worst idea ever. the mags aren't even big enough to make it worth using to suppress.

[Katokevin]

Takes nine (9) seconds of continuious fire for a belt fed MG42 to overheat in-game. 50 round mags are blown through in three (3) seconds. I find that its faster to die if you have heated both barrels to the point that it says to replace them then wait for them to cool down. Its also VERY easy to controll the hip fire so its a room clearer for sure.

[IRDCAM]

Once again if modeled correctly (heaven forbid in a shooter game) the MG-42 would ONLY be belt fed as it was in reality. Now try running through a ruined building with a 'wait a minute' tangle of a 100 or so round belt hanging off you and the gun. And who is carrying the spare barrels and extra belts for you? WEIGHT...the MG-42 as you desire would be a very overloaded weight burden not a lightweight room clearer by any stretch. 25.5 lbs gun alone, without ammo at about another 5 lbs per 150 rounds and how many lbs per barrel?

This game is drifting further into the fantasy keep the 'kids' happy with uber toys, realm rather than any form of actual historical reality.

[.bastet.]

Even as someone who regularly uses the MG (though lately I stick more to riflemen to give other players a chance to level), the whole fact that you're able to move so quickly and hip-fire while lugging around a long belt of full-sized rifle rounds always bugged the heck out of me. Even if you slung it over your shoulders or something - which would almost certainly invite feeding problems - you're still carrying around a bunch of extra ammuition belts on top of the one currently feeding into the gun and all your regular gear.

Also, go ahead and watch some hip-firing videos of the MG-42; it's possible, yes, but not exactly easy, and certainly wouldn't be with extra ammo or full combat gear - or while moving as quickly as you normally do in-game. I really think that if Tripwire means to keep the '42 in game, they should really -at least- add a 'brace' function for it to be fired from the hip like in RO1, if not take hip-firing away from it altogether (the '34 already does this really well, anyways). This takes ridiculous to a new level.