How bad is hacking in this game?

[Dreamcatcher]

I ask, not because I´m butthurt (..well. maybe a bit), but because I just played a game where I was insta-spotted from beneath a railcar, by a guy who poked out from a building, just long enough to fire, and then disappear. Now, if he had somehow been able to see me going under the car, fine, but he was behind a wall with no windows, and just pops out and kills me (from 100+ meters with a small burst from a smg).

I read somewhere that there was a lot of hacking at one point in the past, and I´m curios as to what your experiences are. And to know if it was a hack of some sorts, or just a lucky guess that someone would be there at that exact time

[Gold Handles]

Probably pretty bad TBH.

Hackers flock to games like this because it's hard to detect a cheater on a 64 man server w/ no killcams and 100+ meter engagements.

[Pistolero]

What you are describing is a wallhack, and despite assertions to the contrary they are available commerically and are used in the game a bit more frequently than many folks even realize. A lot of these cheats are subtle with their cheating, and that makes it difficult to detect them; those that are detected are pema-banned pretty quickly.

How many cheat using these things is undetermined. I estimate it is a 3% to 5% problem, but at 3% that would on an average 64-player server mean 2 players are cheating; at 5% 3 players. So it is not a 10% problem, and may be a 1% problem, and the rest of us don't have any use for these peckerwoods when they pop up. So identify them, and they will be purged quickly.

[76]

引用自 Dreamcatcher：

I ask, not because I´m butthurt (..well. maybe a bit), but because I just played a game where I was insta-spotted from beneath a railcar, by a guy who poked out from a building, just long enough to fire, and then disappear. Now, if he had somehow been able to see me going under the car, fine, but he was behind a wall with no windows, and just pops out and kills me (from 100+ meters with a small burst from a smg).

It does happen, I've been killed like that and I have killed like that... lean out insta spot an enemy and let off a small burst and bang! a headshot.

引用自 ShotgunRagtime：

Probably pretty bad TBH.

Are you just making assumption..... "Probably" wtf man

[Gold Handles]

引用自 76：

引用自 Dreamcatcher：

I ask, not because I´m butthurt (..well. maybe a bit), but because I just played a game where I was insta-spotted from beneath a railcar, by a guy who poked out from a building, just long enough to fire, and then disappear. Now, if he had somehow been able to see me going under the car, fine, but he was behind a wall with no windows, and just pops out and kills me (from 100+ meters with a small burst from a smg).

It does happen, I've been killed like that and I have killed like that... lean out insta spot an enemy and let off a small burst and bang! a headshot.

引用自 ShotgunRagtime：

Probably pretty bad TBH.

Are you just making assumption..... "Probably" wtf man

I am making an assumption. I have no actual proof of the presence of hackers, just what I gather from how hackers tend to operate in MP games.

[Paulie]

wallhack is a bit more common in this game, people tend to use them in games with some kind of environment penetration with projectiles. I'm sure alot of people are subtle with them, but enough are really blatant about it, like shooting through a plywood covered window and hitting multiple people one after another, not accusing anyone right now though.

[Airborne]

The only shady thing I see regularly are people firing accuratly through smoke. I don't want to call it hacking because it could just be a matter of perception.

[bifutake]

If wallhacks aren't being automatically detected by Punkbuster or VAC (which I always assumed that they were), what are they even detecting besides false positive speedhacks (and maybe some actual speedhacks)?

[Paulie]

well I used to play around with some cheats here and there back in the original CoD and I've seen cheats that can compeltely remove smoke effects. and that can fly completely under PBs radar.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Being under a train car is actually a pretty obvious place to be. He may of seen you under there before, saw you on a map, could of heard you could of even lagged a bit. He could of had his head up a second longer than you saw it up. You may of not seen him see you. Hell he could of been dead, spectating a a team mate and saw you. Then later walked up and killed you.

I don't know. If they are hackers they are still pretty damn awful with their hacks becuase I don't consider anyone in the top quarter of the scoreboard a hacker. I top the scoreboard a lot or get the most kills without hacking. Never once in this game have I thought someone at the top of the scoreboard to be a hacker. I have thought that in other games and it turns out they are after spectating them for a bit.

Also the speed hack detection thing that pops up with false positives isn't actually VAC or punkbuster. It actually part of the engine. Chivalry: Medieval Warfare has the exact same thing. Except all servers have it off as its beyond awful and has way more false positives than this game lol. It does a good job of picking up real speed hacks too though in testing with VAC off. Using actual speed hacks the instant you push a movement key, jump or attack it detects you.

[bifutake]

So what are PB and VAC doing exactly?

[Paulie]

I've already seen someone in this game have a hack that just caused people to get headshotted right out of spawn, every single one, the moment they spawned.

[chinese_hackers]

The hackers in this game are the bots with their aimbot. Bot-bot!

[bifutake]

引用自 stimbot：

The hackers in this game are the bots with their aimbot. Bot-bot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O44G3UOU74E

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

That's true. The bots in this game are hackers. They will cross map no scope you without even looking.

PB and VAC detect all kinds of hacks not just speed hacks. And if something gets by one anti hack method it may be picked up by another.

TWI hates hackers. Hates them so much that they don't mind if the anti hack software is slightly annoying for players. They know hackers are 10 times more annoying.

[bifutake]

引用自 =(e)= Lemonater47：

TWI hates hackers. Hates them so much that they don't mind if the anti hack software is slightly annoying for players. They know hackers are 10 times more annoying.

That's why I always loved this game. But this thread made me question my longstanding assumptions about hackers getting destroyed by PB and VAC in RO2/RS servers.