Not many people like WW2 games after all...

[DrunkenQueen]

Not sure how many people play Rising Storm and Red Orchestra 2.
- COD has gone futuristic and Battlefield has gone modern and slightly futuristic
- Day of Defeat: Source seems lost its attention from Valve
- Sniper Elite... Company of Heroes... I feel that the developers would change the theme to Cold war or Modern later on.

Plus, people focus on Axis Germany too much but kinda forgetting Japan and Italy.
I see COD: WAW and Rising Storm has Japanese forces. Italy appeared in Medal of Honor: Airborne.

[Sentient_Fool]

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The problem is that most of WW2 games are repeating the same events. Normandy, Stalingrad, The Pacific, ending the game in Berlin or somewhere in France and the average kids start to complain that they got bored with it. while there are still alot of forgotten battles and operations. how many of you know that the Soviet Army defeated a 1,000,000 japanese army in Manchuria 1945? just an example
And do not justify the lack of Italy in games with the facts they were defeated. they still deserve to be mentioned

I thought this video would be relevant to the topic of discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8KHClEGGM8

[President of Nauru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sentient_Fool:

I thought this video would be relevant to the topic of discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8KHClEGGM8

So one of his ideas is to have the game feature foreign countries during the war, but still talk about the holocaust?
This guy's got stupid ideas.

[Insurgent Korrah]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MacGuffin Love:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sentient_Fool:

I thought this video would be relevant to the topic of discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8KHClEGGM8

So one of his ideas is to have the game feature foreign countries during the war, but still talk about the holocaust?
This guy's got stupid ideas.

One idea is about taking the war outside europe, another is about including holocaust if decided the game is set in europe

[President of Nauru]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MacGuffin Love:

So one of his ideas is to have the game feature foreign countries during the war, but still talk about the holocaust?
This guy's got stupid ideas.

One idea is about taking the war outside europe, another is about including holocaust if decided the game is set in europe

Yea no thanks.
I have that propaganda shoved in my face 24/7, i don't want it in my videogames too.
The 6million number has been proven false so many times by noted historians but you just get called a racist and an anti semite (lol) if you even question the fact that no official count was ever conducted by a single person who wasn't jewish.
History written by the victors i guess.

EDIT games have been set outside europe loads, the entire CoD 3 campagin was set in other countries and so was CoD 2 thinking about it.

[Sentient_Fool]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sentient_Fool:

I thought this video would be relevant to the topic of discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8KHClEGGM8

So one of his ideas is to have the game feature foreign countries during the war, but still talk about the holocaust?
This guy's got stupid ideas.

Not sure how you conflated two separate suggestions, But I took from it that he suggests paying homage or referencing the Holocaust. Unless your have some legitimate reason to disagree with that proposal, then I am all ears.

It is sort of like how other Second World War games reference atrocities, like how CoD:WaW demonstrates brutality, or even in Rising Storm on Saipan, you can see propaganda on the walls about the Greater Co-prosperity Sphere.
I think this has some merit, as when I wax nostalgia about Second World War games, I can hardly recall the Holocaust referenced. I think Company of Heroes 2 recently did in one of its campaign missions, with the Soviets discovering a concentration camp.

It is more of an enviromental homage to flesh out games better. That what I took from it.

[Sentient_Fool]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Византиец:

One idea is about taking the war outside europe, another is about including holocaust if decided the game is set in europe

Yea no thanks.
I have that propaganda shoved in my face 24/7, i don't want it in my videogames too.
The 6million number has been proven false so many times by noted historians but you just get called a racist and an anti semite (lol) if you even question the fact that no official count was ever conducted by a single person who wasn't jewish.
History written by the victors i guess.

EDIT games have been set outside europe loads, the entire CoD 3 campagin was set in other countries and so was CoD 2 thinking about it.

...Okay then...

As for the CoD 3 and CoD 2, You seem to be incorrect, CoD 3 dealt entirely within a Eurocentric PoV for other nations. Playing as the US, British, Canadians & Polish, all of which took place in France. CoD 2 had portions of the African Desert Campaign (another underappreciated theatre). The real point however is that these are still relatively mainstream areas of public knowledge about the Second World War. We are not talk about being other countries perspectives but taking place in geographically new areas.

In contrast:

Although Enemy: Fronts was a mixed experiment about the Warsaw Uprising, I appreciated the attempt. We need games that take us into other areas like The OSS' operations in South East Asia or the Sino-Japanese War. And Before Rising Storm, we only had CoD:WaW and MoH: Rising Sun.

[DrunkenQueen]

Sino- Japanese war themed game will become controversial due to Japanese and mainland Chinese governments' nationalism.

[Sentient_Fool]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από XiaoHuoZi:

Sino- Japanese war themed game will become controversial due to Japanese and mainland Chinese governments' nationalism.

Understandly true, Which is a shame. It is still too politicized.

[Salmon Sashimi 刺身]

we should be thankful that Rising Storm even exists. there are barely any pacific war games and barely any realisitic pacific war game slike rising storm

i would love to see a second sino japanese war expansion mod/ lots of urban fighting similar to stalingrad in that as well as wide open plains

[WhiteKnight77]

There are areas that could be used as a focal point for WWII shooters such as New Guinea or CBI. Still, how many want to play as Australians, Indians, or the British? There were some other operations in the Solomons that could possibly be used and are basically unheard of.

Still, no matter where or when an FPS takes place, it all involves the same thing, shooting someone else. Wash, rinse and repeat.

[IRDCAM]

Essentially WW2 was been over done, and originality in WW2 gaming has hit a wall. Reworking lessor battles with existing game systems usually does not work as the old board and chit era gaming quickly figured out.
As the more modern conflicts become more understood and actually players were alive and watched the events unfold, the game need to replicate these battles and actions now are becoming the new norm in wargaming.
A well known WW2 minitures game in the face of WW2 oversaturation went with a WW1/Arab Isreali/Vietnam game using the same game system and so far has failed to gather the interest desired, but the WW2 game has stagnated as well. So now they are trying a more modern hypothetical 1985 Soviet/NATO in Europe, but same game system, and I suspect tyhe same result.
Originality in gaming draws far more players than subject matter.

BTW we play a version of that mintures game based on 'War of The Worlds' and it is gaining ground and popularity as it is 'different', something gamers desire. I am part of the rules source and our ruleset is selling quite well, and the models are out there from the two game systems.

[SCUMM]

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Sino- Japanese war themed game will become controversial due to Japanese and mainland Chinese governments' nationalism.

Said this lots of times and yep, nothing to bring out the worst members of Japanese and Chinese society than mentioning someone will be covering the conflict.
Its one thing to have holocaust deniers in the west, They are mostly seen as mad people. Its another thing to have people in governmental positions in Japan to deny comfort women, the rape of Nanking and Unit 731 even had the remotest chance of happening, and then no-body in Japan bats an eyelid.

[Insurgent Korrah]

Italy vs Greece 1941 MP mode then :)))

[DrunkenQueen]

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Said this lots of times and yep, nothing to bring out the worst members of Japanese and Chinese society than mentioning someone will be covering the conflict.
Its one thing to have holocaust deniers in the west, They are mostly seen as mad people. Its another thing to have people in governmental positions in Japan to deny comfort women, the rape of Nanking and Unit 731 even had the remotest chance of happening, and then no-body in Japan bats an eyelid.

Germany doesn't have a problem about their WW2 acts. Well, Germany lost twice and they cannot argue as the US government has quite amount of Jewish people.

Japanese government still currently includes A class criminals whom being glorified for serving the country. Unlike Mitsubishi company, they do negotiate and compensate the Chinese labourers who worked for them in terrible conditions during WW2 and now they all peace.
(Mitsubishi used to manufacture Japanese war planes)

For mainland Chinese government, they are kinda... making themselves more glorified, more credited for resisting against Japanese invasion during WW2. In fact, the Nationalists (Kuo Min Tang) was the main force who fought in fronts against the Japanese. The communists did fight, but did some minor things.
Although Xi Jinping did honored some Nationalists veterans by giving them medals.

[Mongol The Unwise]

If there was a game about chinese WWII. i'd probably get it. It is annoying how entire fronts, no, entire WARS get forgotten because it didnt happen in OUR country.