"Mosin Nagant VS. Karabiner 98k" Myth

[Comrade Chicken]

So I heard that some people say the Karabiner 98k is better then the Mosin Nagant. Is that true or is it just a propaganda from the Germanophiles of Red Orchestra 2? I am not sure but I do feel like the Karabiner 98k performs better when I use it but it might be psychological from being aware of this myth. Are they exactly the same or do they have their differences?

[Vegan Friendly Rolling Papers]

Shifty původně napsal:

Man if you look in irl the karr98k is in all ways better, aslo i prefer kar98 bcs its better then mosin (i shot irl in mosin and you dont want it really )

The rounds have similar ballistics and are about equal. All the rifles of ww2 had pretty much the same energy.

One thing that can be said about the k-98 its only real flaw is that it has pretty lack luster iron sights. The V on V was poor however putting a site hood on the front makes it alot better.

But yeah the K-98 all the way for many reasons. It was the design that almost every single other military and commercial rifle copied for the last 100+ years and still does. Their bolt system was copied in almost every single hunting rifle ever made.

On the other hand the SVT-40 was a boss and the german semi autos the G41/43s where rather crappy. Russia also had arguably the best smg of the war with the PPSH. Everything was pretty equal tho imo. They all had excellent smgs and decent rifles as well as pistols too.

[Fed]

Silky původně napsal:

Comrade Chicken ☭ původně napsal:

So I heard that some people say the Karabiner 98k is better then the Mosin Nagant. Is that true or is it just a propaganda from the Germanophiles of Red Orchestra 2? I am not sure but I do feel like the Karabiner 98k performs better when I use it but it might be psychological from being aware of this myth. Are they exactly the same or do they have their differences?

The Mosin won the war..

I thought it was overwhelming the enemy 20 to 1 was what won the war? ;)

[Vegan Friendly Rolling Papers]

Its an old joke that the K-98 is the rifle that lost 2 World Wars. Even tho its true it was the greatest military rifle ever made.

[Comrade Chicken]

Seomate původně napsal:

Silky původně napsal:

The Mosin won the war..

I thought it was overwhelming the enemy 20 to 1 was what won the war? ;)

It was Hilter's pride and incompetence to pick his fights. Declearing wars on all the world powers at once XD. Arrogance at its finest.

[larp creatura]

Heresy původně napsal:

Its an old joke that the K-98 is the rifle that lost 2 World Wars. Even tho its true it was the greatest military rifle ever made.

Mr. John C. Garand would like to have a word with you.

[3D-ICON]

japanese man původně napsal:

Heresy původně napsal:

Its an old joke that the K-98 is the rifle that lost 2 World Wars. Even tho its true it was the greatest military rifle ever made.

Mr. John C. Garand would like to have a word with you.

#FACT

[Vegan Friendly Rolling Papers]

japanese man původně napsal:

Heresy původně napsal:

Its an old joke that the K-98 is the rifle that lost 2 World Wars. Even tho its true it was the greatest military rifle ever made.

Mr. John C. Garand would like to have a word with you.

Sry correction the greatest Bolt Action Mil Rifle of all time. Garand was indeed a better rifle but a semi auto and was much better than the german semi autos. The Springfield 1903 however was basically an exact K-98 copy lol.

[DirtyDan]

They're both pretty much same. K-98 has the better sight upgrade though (removes front post shroud). If you're a real professional you will use the silenced revolver only.

[IRDCAM]

Both the Enfield and M91/30 bolts were 'faster' to operate then the M98/K98, and less intricate. The BIG advantage was the Enfield's 10rd magazine. Simplified a little over the original WW1 M98 the K98 was a tad more 'expensive' to manufacture.

There is an you-tube channel about the three and the advantages/disadvantages of all three as well as the Italian and Japanese sevice bolters.

[UmbralPenumbra]

Enfield wins for having 10rd magazine

[Vegan Friendly Rolling Papers]

There are 10 rnd trench mags for the K-98 that soldiers where issued. Most didnt use them but they also had that feature. They could be popped right on if you remove the trigger plate.

Almost every single bolt action rifle ever designed copied the K-98 bolt system. K-98 wins for having the strongest materials. The only K-98 copy that included the full C-ring was the czeck VZ 24. Which alot of hunters liked building rifles off of due to the strength of the receiver. The bolts of other rifles may have been shorter but anyone who tried to do anything different than the K-98 ultimately failed as the bolt action rifle was essentially mastered with the old Mauser's.

So if you wanna build a proper target rifle or sporter hunting rifle you would want an orig german wartime K-98 or a VZ 24 ( just a interesting side note). As they where vastly superior to all the other mil rifles at the time. There is a reason why almost every other country adopted the k98 for years after the war and not other rifles. I bet there was 10x as many mosins made during the war but no1 else really used them or wanted them. Same with the enfields.

[IRDCAM]

The 20rd 'trench magazine' was designed and specifically for the WW1 era M98 full sized rifle, not the WW2 K98. There is a slight difference in size of the mag well as the M98 was lightened, it will fit but had follower spring issues leading to fed issues. Add ons like for the M98 and even M1903 were not that successful

[Vegan Friendly Rolling Papers]

Oh interesting that is actually what I have i never thought it was 20 rnds thats even better! They where not really used on K-98ks during ww2 and are for the older full sized 98s you are correct. However they can still be fitted to a K-98k.

Either way the size of the magazine isnt really important.

I would argue that the K-98 is much much better when used with its sight hood in real life since you can use it as a close range peep using just the front site and the shroud. In games however its rather restricting as its limits your view.

In the end all mil rifles where designed around the same specifications in lethality, weight and durability. They where all roughly 90% the same in that regard. Which was something easy to mass produce and with a round that would drop a horse. Thats what the orig mil rifles where designed for in terms of stopping power.

The only crappy mil rifle of the era would be the Ross rifle. No other rifles where much better or worse than the rest. Although alot did have different sights and the garands, springfields and even mosins had better iron sights than K-98s.

The reason why the k-98 is so famous is that it was first before almost all the others and its design is still arguably the best bolt action ever made even to this day. Which influenced almost every design after it.

In terms of dropping a horse at 100+ yards id say they are all on par with eachother lol.


if you wanna talk about a superior rifle of the ww2 era that was sadly barely used I would say the K-31 Swiss was vastly superior to alot of others in terms of quality. They are alot of fun to shoot with a straight pull bolt but had a fairly odd calibre so I imagine thats why they where not used so much. I own one and it has hands down the best military rifle trigger ive ever pulled. Since mil spec triggers are all rather crappy, a K-31 feels like a hunting rifle in quality :). They where slightly dangerous tho and it was important to ram the bolt home in case it didnt fully when reloading.

[JohnDoe321123]

Mosin has a faster reload due to a reloading bug.
K98 shoots faster, but you have to lead more and has more penetration.
Mosin you don't have to lead as much.

Those are your major differences.