Rising Storm 2: Vietnam -- This has taken over.

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RO2 is dying, RS2 Vietnam is its replacement.

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Escrito originalmente por LYFAtti:

Pardon the question, but what's the point of this thread? All it does is demoralize and divide. Could it not occur to the OP that some people just plain prefer this game's aesthetic, atmosphere, gameplay and setting to RS2? ♥♥♥♥ off with this disingenuous, divisive garbage.

The OP made an assumption based on his opinion. His opinion did not stand up to the truth as others see it in their opinions.

The rest is just the usual how it can be 'better' and some historical information thrown in. Another fun day here on the forums.

[Heresy]

I actually just saw an interesting video on the panzerfaust how they explained about 8 million where produced but only 2 million where fired. The average amount of shots per tank kill was 2500. The amount of overall tanks it took out was about 3% compared to AT and other heavier weapons. Out of all the close range equipment they made up for 50% of the tanks destroyed when compared to other things the Infantry had on hand such as mines and tank grenades.

They where mainly used to disable or distract tanks in order for the AT or German tanks to finish the job. The weapon never saw full potential because there where not many elite units left alive by the time it reached the front. Was a high skill weapon that required bravery. Unfortunately there where mostly given to Volksstrum. I wonder how effective they could of been if released sooner and put in the right hands on the west and east. In the end about 2 million where fired and they got around 300 confirmed tank kills which is not very significant.

They also had to be trained with on the spot once recieved by troops which no doubt lead to alot of "accidents". The backblast from one was lethal up to 10 meters.

They where well built with high quality control and almost always went bang. Was a weapon ahead of its time. I was a little puzzled to see the mkb 42 in red orchestra. I mean they where around but not mass issued. Makes sense that its not the stg44 i guess but rather the prototype. At least they have the MG-34 which was just as good as a 42 if not better and is missing from alot of other games.

[Silky]

RO2 isn't dead, Post Scriptum is RO3. Thank God all the retrads went to RS2.

"Full-auto 360 shotgun spray bro"

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Escrito originalmente por Silky:

RO2 isn't dead, Post Scriptum is RO3. Thank God all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥) went to RS2.

"Full-auto 360 shotgun spray bro"

Can you give me your word that post scirpt is RO3 and that all the trash went to RS2? Cos I will jump ship mate.

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Essentially the panzerfaust was a recoiless rifle and the back blast was considerable. The idea was more to disable the tank and get the crew to bail. even against the thin skinned Sherman the amount of rockets fired per hit, and the what was called 'hanging armor' additions of track links to the front plate and wood logs to side made a catostrophic kill iffy. You saw the sceen in Fury, panzerfaust hits, burns through, the copper 'slug' right behind and goes straight through Grady the loader. It was that hot copper slug bouncing around inside finding something that bled, burned or went boom that killed the tank, and usually just broke something to where the surviving crew bailed. German doctrine was infantry AT to the front to slow and AT guns (PaK 40) to do the real killing. AT guns usually only got 5-6 rounds off till they were eliminated by return fire so it was a real mobile and layered defense that worked more than a static DIP defense.

In a HEAT round the warhead comprises of an explosive charge within a copper cone. The nose hits the explosive goes off, forced into a 'plasma' jet by the copper cone, the jet burns through and the copper cone turns into a high velocity 'slug' that follows the jet through the armor 'hopefully' and does the damage.

I have seen a US training film from WW2 which explains the warhead shape and tail of the panzerfaust made flight pretty erratic, so not very accurate. And like you stated had to be brave to get close enough.

The US bazooka 2.36 rocket launcher was found to be wanting also so the rule was shoot the tracks and immobilize it and let bigger assets take it out.

As a modern comparison in my day we had the M-72 'LAW' (light anti tank weapon) was a 66mm disposable rocket launcher. Range stated and sights out to 400m but hits aginst a standing target 200m away were iffy at best and penitration against a T-55 or T-62 of our day was poor, so we were also told to go for the tracks.

As for quality control, a few now and then are discovered and do still work 70+ years later. Interesting ignition system. You unscrew a cap and place a what looks like a 9mm blank in and rescrew cap, and then press down on striker lever to get it to fire. Also heard that the warhead had a tendency to go boom if dropped or stuck something hard while carried.

I have fired the MG-34 at demonstrations and a great gun, also fired a MG-42 and the modern MG-3 the grandson of the MG-42. Both are pretty bouncy when fired because of cyclic rate. Carried a US M-60 in my career and found it better than the 42 or 3, but would of prefered a modernized MG-34. Sometimes modern is not always better.

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Once again German weapon development was always a day late and a dollar short. From the lack of expierienced pilots and fuel for the jets, to expierienced crews for the new modern Type XXI U-boats, the Germans put out fantastic stuff but too late to do any good. The pre war standard MG-34, K 98 and MP-38/40 were still the mainstays of the HEER, and infantry AT weapons were always short supply. The Volkstrum were essentially rear echelon defensive troops so got more of the new toys because they were right there, did not have to ship the weapons to 'the front'.

Again read up on the German logistic issues and how they had far more effect on the way the war was fought than many realize.

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Escrito originalmente por Silky:

RO2 isn't dead, Post Scriptum is RO3. Thank God all the retrads went to RS2.

"Full-auto 360 shotgun spray bro"

Another example of someone who has never even played RS2 and hates it. Some strange phenomena every time a new game is released in a series this happens. Tripwire are pretty good developers that are still outside the spectrum of casual. Rs2 was broken on release. So was RO2 . So is Post Scriptum. It takes time for them to fix everything. RS2 has coem a long way in two years. I dont see why you cant play both games. Prob got rekt on first try by non existing auto shotguns then rage quit lol. I also played the beta and the game on release and was greatly disappointed so i uninstalled it and waited a year + for them to fix things like bullet registry, which they did.

FSB- Yeah i saw Fury it was the most fake laughable american propaganda war film i think ive ever seen in my life. It was insultingly bad. If a panzerfaust did infact penetrate to the interior of a tank that copper slug would of wasted everyone inside. So i guess it was more capable of killing everyone inside then it actually was at disabling a tank. I heard older vets like yourself explain how that copper would literally shower and be almost liquid if the shape charge did penetrate through steel.

That movie was so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad it was unacceptable. Shows a whole battalion equipped with Panzerfausts marching yet 1 or 2 are used in the movie? A whole battalion pinned down by a single tank with completely open flanks to either side? Yet they run directly at it like russians for a full day? ♥♥♥♥ it was bad. It was painfully bad prob the worst ww2 movie i have ever seen. The young officer at the end who spots the guy udner the and lets him go would of been hung lmao.

Amazing that the next disposable closest thing was the Law in the 70s that might have had a longer effective range but was very dangerous and didnt even work half the time. Truly a weapon ahead of its time and introduced ironically too late.

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The movie Fury was bad, but a man's discount nothing to do entertainment at $5.00 movie Tuesday, but it did show the effect of a panzerfaust on the inside of a tank pretty accurately. And you need to understand that NCO actually who spots the survivor under the tank more than not knew the war was lost and wanted to show just a little compassion. It happens in war believe it or not.

More than not that 'slug' was hard enough to bounce around inside, the RPG2/B-40 we saw in the training films would penitrate the M113's aluminum armor and form that slug and bounce around inside shredding whatever it hit pretty well.

Oh BTW war films are always designed to be propaganda and take a lot of license to alter the reality. Fury was full of errors and misconceptions, but made a point, By that time in the war the Americans as well as Germans were scraping the barrel for replacements, a typist as a co-driver was a potential as the pool of expierienced was pretty much empty by April 1945. America was broke and as well tired of the war in Europe as well as Pacific. You need to look at the 'big' picture of these films rather than nit-pic based on your perceptions.

You make horrible assumptions about war and the people in it. Compassion as well as other human factors play a big part of mans behavior in war. It was not a game, and with the war coming to a close that NCO just wanted more than likely to justify his humanity more than anything political. He had to live with himself after the war if he survived, and who would know he left the kid under there. You are the product of the modern 'gamer' perceptions of history and learn your history from the games you play inaccurate as they are.

I remmember when Saving Private Ryan came out and watching 80+ year old men leave the theater in tears just after the or during the beach scenes. Something was triggered. Your anti-American opinions are just that, you have a bias and instead of looking at the overall picture you prefer to nit-pic at the reality of the era.

History and War are a ♥♥♥♥♥, you can not teach any war accurately as in today's PC world young minds can not accept the world 70+ years ago. Look at the WW1 movie They Shall Not Grow Old for example, 100 years later who is left from then to tell you if it was real or wrong.

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Walls of text, quite a desperate attempt at convincing everyone.
End of the day....
I present a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VevSeqYg3sA

So much better look how well the map design and graphics is.
Makes RO2 look like Doom 64.

See you on RO2:V
It does need a better GPU to run vs RO2, so a Nvidia TNT2 wont cut it.

RO2 is dead.
Time to get with the times, get off the hacker infested RO2

[95]

Do you get off on being an absolute disingenuous muppet? Christ, imagine unironically getting onto the steam forums to pretend online that you're both smug, smart and cool. Mate, you won't get the free internet toughguy pass just because you've been bullied at school. Get professional help, you unloved rockeater.

[WhiteKnight77]

What most people are not taught that Germany's logistics system relied on horse drawn wagons and artillery. Once they actually got into Russia proper, they intended to use the Russian train tracks, but they had to rebuild them to the German gauge which was narrower. Barbarossa and Blau were losses for Germany due to logistics as well as lack of replacements, both in men and material. Hitler didn't want to put the country on a war footing so production could increase as he knew the people would not approve of it. Germany lost the second they crossed the border into Soviet territory.

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Escrito originalmente por Dr.Coktopus:

Walls of text, quite a desperate attempt at convincing everyone.
End of the day....
I present a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VevSeqYg3sA

So much better look how well the map design and graphics is.
Makes RO2 look like Doom 64.

See you on RO2:V
It does need a better GPU to run vs RO2, so a Nvidia TNT2 wont cut it.

RO2 is dead.
Time to get with the times, get off the hacker infested RO2

Once again: "NO....you are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. RS2 is 'deader' than RO2, sorry." It's a long term issue, not a flash in the pan RS2 increase. RS2 fluctuates in numbers far more than RO2. And old does not mean obsolete and new does not make things better.................nature of gaming, some are classics, others are just blah.

[Kangaroo]

Too much RO2 is scarcely sufficient, woefully inadequate, barely acceptable & nowhere near enough. One of the greatest WW2 FPS games ever, if not, the best. Complete with charming, intelligent & loyal player community that never cries over the RO2 is Dead mantra...
What a load of diabolical dogs vomit!
RO2, RS & RS2 are all terrific games so where's the fire?

[Heresy]

Patapov - So you would of shown the same compasion to one of the 5 crewmen that just destroyed 500+ of your best friends and wiped out pretty much half your whole unit? Reaaaaal compassionate. Type of American drivel that is all too regular these days.

Escrito originalmente por Kangaroo:

Too much RO2 is scarcely sufficient, woefully inadequate, barely acceptable & nowhere near enough. One of the greatest WW2 FPS games ever, if not, the best. Complete with charming, intelligent & loyal player community that never cries over the RO2 is Dead mantra...
What a load of diabolical dogs vomit!
RO2, RS & RS2 are all terrific games so where's the fire? :Scroll::Dignity::doicrown::gmwhale::gmgear::RedStar::rc2furmanov::mkb::BalkanCross::alpen::AceofSpades::doicross:

Agree. RO2 can die out every night but its not dead.... Id call RS dead tho at this point lol.

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Escrito originalmente por Heresy:

Patapov - So you would of shown the same compasion to one of the 5 crewmen that just destroyed 500+ of your best friends and wiped out pretty much half your whole unit? Reaaaaal compassionate. Type of American drivel that is all too regular these days.

Escrito originalmente por Kangaroo:

Too much RO2 is scarcely sufficient, woefully inadequate, barely acceptable & nowhere near enough. One of the greatest WW2 FPS games ever, if not, the best. Complete with charming, intelligent & loyal player community that never cries over the RO2 is Dead mantra...
What a load of diabolical dogs vomit!
RO2, RS & RS2 are all terrific games so where's the fire? :Scroll::Dignity::doicrown::gmwhale::gmgear::RedStar::rc2furmanov::mkb::BalkanCross::alpen::AceofSpades::doicross:

Agree. RO2 can die out every night but its not dead.... Id call RS dead tho at this point lol.

Again April 1945, end of war is coming, war crimes trials post war were the thought of every SS man, and what do you know of man's behavior in a time of war other than your Hollywood or game perceptions? There are plenty of real stories of the humanity of warriors towards the defeated, no matter how many comrades lost. Go ahead give us some of your perceptions and base them on actual events or personal expieriences of those who were there. Unfortunately America has covered Europe's arse twice, not a popular thought for most today. And living in America's attic must be frustrating. And leads to a lot of anti-American, no citation drivel that is as well all to regular today from those like yourself.