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anatkhht Jan 12, 2017 @ 12:51pm
confused about some maps locations
hi guys, i want to ask you about some maps where i dont have any idea where are we supouse to be fighting on.

phosphate plant (RS). is this in philippines or okinawa or some random pacific island?

maggothill (RS). i think this is in okinawa

hanto (RS) where the hell is this place? okinawa?

kobura (RS) is this even a real front or battle?

betio (RS). is betio on the tarawa atoll?

bridges of druzhina (HS) where is this place is it a real place?

myoshka river (HS) where is this place is it a real place?

winterland (HS) i think this is ann imaginary front or battle

cold steel (HS) this is in stalingrad but where some random industrial complex?

total outskirts (HS) i dont have any ide where are you here?

i know most of these maps were made by the comunity so i guess some of them are not in real locations or battles. i just wish to know the true.
thanks for reading and i hope someone responds me.
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North_Dumpling Jan 12, 2017 @ 1:45pm 
You can try searching for it on official TWI forums
MeoW.Kosic Jan 12, 2017 @ 2:28pm 
Maggothill - Definitely not Okinawa
Hanto - This map is New Guinea campaign
Betio - Yes this island is part of Tarawa atol
Bridges of Druzhina - Not real battle
Myshkova River - Probably real battle. There is Myshkova river near Volgograd (Stalingrad)
Cold Steel - Probably some factory in Stalingrad.
Tula Outskirts - Tula is russian city near Moscow, so yeah real battle.
anatkhht Jan 12, 2017 @ 5:32pm 
then where is maggothill?
.bastet. Jan 12, 2017 @ 8:21pm 
Originally posted by anatkhht:
then where is maggothill?

Burma, I believe. American (Army) long-range penetration unit. Hence why they're carrying so much gear and have different uniforms.

Myshkova is said to be a bridgehead where German Panzer units are attempting to break into and aid in the relief of the Stalingrad pocket. It's an RO2 version of the map Stavelot from RO1's Darkest Hour mod.

Cold Steel I'm not sure - quite a few community-made maps are just random places. Historical books on Stalingrad talk of a steelworks that was fought over during the early days of the battle, which makes sense given the map seems to take place during the summer. So that might be a possibility, even if it's simply coincidence. Description has it simply as being set in the Stalingrad industrial area.

Kobura is (admitted by the author) not a real location. They like to imagine it's somewhere in Burma though.

Winterwald is an assault by German forces on a Soviet AA position that's supporting the defense of Moscow in the winter of 1941. Fictional battle, but that's what the mapper had in mind.

Phosphate Plant is supposed to be on the island of Angaur, part of the larger Palau islands area. I thought this was silly at first (it's not a very big stretch of land), but if you look at an official period map of the island, a phosphate plant is actually there and labeled.

Unfortunately the only Okinawa map is a custom - Sugar Loaf Hill.
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anatkhht Jan 12, 2017 @ 9:36pm 
thanks, thanks a lot. Pretty interesting that they didnt make any oficial maps of okinawa or the philippines.
the only okinawa map is sugar loaf hill and is my least favorite custom map on RS.
thanks for the info
BloodMalice Jan 12, 2017 @ 11:45pm 
This is a reason why I like the Historical Rotation Nights on Bloodbath; they allow you to play out the battles in chronological order over the course of the Battle of Stalingrad and, sometimes (or used to), provide a brief 1-2 line historical description in the startup screen to provide a context for what the battle was over.

Here's a list of the maps used in the rotation. While some of these RO2 maps are entirely fictional, they still got used to kind of "plug the holes" in the story in which some battles never had a map made for them.

Fall 1942

August 23rd, 1942 - Spartanovka (Axis Attack):

The German 6th Army reaches the northern outskirts of Stalingrad, beginning its invasion by assaulting the small village of Spartanovka.

September 5th, 1942 - Red Army Barracks (Barracks) (Tug of War):

German forces make their initial push into Stalingrad through its western suburbs, concentrating on the Red Army Barracks as their first objective.

September 14th, 1942 - Kuporosnoye (Axis Attack):

German forces complete their pincer on the city by striking Stalingrad's southern suburbs, where the Russians fight desperately to hold against German motorized and armoured shock divisions.

September 15th, 1942 - Stalingrad Station (Station) (Axis Attack):

Having exchanged hands 14 times in a matter of 6 hours, the Soviet 13th Guards Rifle Division fights until its annihilation at Stalingrad Station.

September 20th, 1942 - Grain Elevator (Axis Attack):

After three days of costly attempts, Germans make their final assault on the Grain Elevator, only to find that it was held by a mere 50 ardent holdouts.

September 21st, 1942 - Univermag Store (Univermag-B10) (Axis Attack):

German forces strike towards the city center, with the aim of establishing the 6th Army's HQ at the Univermag department store.

October 14th, 1942 - Pavlov's House (Tug of War):

Under Order 227, Sgt. Pavlov's platoon takes "not one step back" in its two-month-long defense of an apartment building later named "Pavlov's House".

October 27th, 1942 - Barrikady Factory (Axis Attack):

With their backs pressed to the Volga and their flanks overrun, the Soviet 62nd Army prepares to defend the last divisional HQ west of the Volga.


Winter 1942

November 12th, 1942 - Mamayev Kurgan (Axis Attack):

Out of desperation, the Germans launch their final assault to capture the remainder of Mamayev Kurgan hill overlooking Stalingrad.

November 21st, 1942 - Kalach-on-don (Bridges of Druzhina - Fictional Map) (Allies Attack):

Having launched their major winter counter-offensive two days prior, the Russian pincer converges on Kalach with the aim to encircle the German 6th Army at Stalingrad.

November 22nd, 1942 - Commissar's House (Allies Attack):

Unaware of the doom looming behind their lines, the 50th Pioneer Battalion faces a Russian counter-attack attempting to reclaim the area around Barrikady Factory.

November 23rd, 1942 - Red October Factory (Allies Attack):

With the German 6th Army now encircled, the Russians attempt to retake the now bombed-out Red October Factory.

December 13th, 1942 - Myshkova River (Axis Attack):

The German 6th Panzer Division attempts to break through the Russian encirclement, with hopes to relieve the beleaguered German 6th Army at Stalingrad.


Winter 1943

January 17th, 1943 - Pitomnik Airfield (Rakowice - Based on Polish Town) (Allies Attack):

German defenders fight desperately to hold Pitomnik Airfield, their last major airfield for supplies within the Stalingrad Pocket.

January 26th, 1943 - Stalingrad Kessel (Stalingrad Kessel - Fictional Map) (Allies Attack):

With the Germans exhausted and now short on supplies, the Soviet 21st Army presses into the city center to cut the Stalingrad Pocket in two.

January 30th, 1943 - Fallen Fighters Square (FallenFightersv1943) (Allies Attack):

Russian forces move to strike the city center and the 6th Army's HQ at the Univermag store, the last bastion of organized German resistance in Stalingrad.

Conclusion

Axis Casualties: 850,000
Allied Casualties: 1,129,619

Result:
  • Decisive Soviet Victory
  • Destruction of the German 6th Army
  • Axis powers lose strategic initiative on the Eastern Front
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BloodMalice Jan 13, 2017 @ 12:18am 
Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Cold Steel I'm not sure - quite a few community-made maps are just random places. Historical books on Stalingrad talk of a steelworks that was fought over during the early days of the battle, which makes sense given the map seems to take place during the summer. So that might be a possibility, even if it's simply coincidence. Description has it simply as being set in the Stalingrad industrial area.

This map is based on Stalingrad's Tractor Factory.

Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Unfortunately the only Okinawa map is a custom - Sugar Loaf Hill.

There's actually another; it's called Yonabaru (also a custom). Quite a visually intricate and immersive map, however, suffered shortbacks in balance and couldn't be hosted anymore.
Last edited by BloodMalice; Jan 13, 2017 @ 12:40am
.bastet. Jan 13, 2017 @ 12:56am 
Originally posted by Malice:
This map is based on Stalingrad's Tractor Factory.

I was going to suggest that as well, but with the lack of the iconic archways it just doesn't seem like a good fit. Plus another mapper made a true Tractorworks map in RO1 with a completely different setup, and the pictures don't seem to match up much as far as architecture and layout goes.


Originally posted by Malice:
There's actually another; it's called Yonabaru (also a custom). Quite a visually intricate and immersive map, however, suffered shortbacks in balance and couldn't be hosted anymore.

Never realized Yonabaru was Okinawa (probably on account that I only played it one round after crashing when I first loaded it). It also doesn't look much like the type of terrain and fighting that characterized the campaign, but if I recall it starts with a landing - so that might still make sense. The landings didn't encounter heavy fortifications, or at least not the likes seen in previous battles. Plus Okinawa is another one of those rare gems from the island hopping campaigns where comparatively modern villages and towns weren't uncommon.

Besides, I thought you said it didn't perform very well ;D
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BloodMalice Jan 13, 2017 @ 2:06am 
Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
I was going to suggest that as well, but with the lack of the iconic archways it just doesn't seem like a good fit. Plus another mapper made a true Tractorworks map in RO1 with a completely different setup, and the pictures don't seem to match up much as far as architecture and layout goes.

Yeah, it's not very accurate. But it is a community-based map, after all.

Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Never realized Yonabaru was Okinawa (probably on account that I only played it one round after crashing when I first loaded it). It also doesn't look much like the type of terrain and fighting that characterized the campaign, but if I recall it starts with a landing - so that might still make sense. The landings didn't encounter heavy fortifications, or at least not the likes seen in previous battles. Plus Okinawa is another one of those rare gems from the island hopping campaigns where comparatively modern villages and towns weren't uncommon.

There was no landing on that map; it starts out with a Stuart tank driving in and getting blown up, followed-up by the infantry (players). It depicts the fight over Yonabaru Airfield on Okinawa.


Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Besides, I thought you said it didn't perform very well ;D

It didn't originally until Defwen fixed all the bugs, haha. But he refused to fix what he didn't see as a problem with the balance of the map, leaving Axis continually losing it. In all the times I ever played it, I've only seen Axis ever win it once. This is generally a problem with map makers that rarely play the game they map for, let alone their own maps.


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OMA Wirbelwind Jan 13, 2017 @ 7:43am 
Phosphate Plant = Palau, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur
Hanto = Papua New Guinea, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Driniumor_River
Maggot Hill = Burma, http://www.raidersmerciless.com/showthread.php?p=100258
Betio = Kiribati, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarawa
Kobura = Fictional battle set in Burma
Bridges of Druzhina = Fictional battle
Bridges of Myshkova = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Winterland = No idea
Cold Steel = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Tula Outskirts = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow
anatkhht Jan 13, 2017 @ 11:03am 
Originally posted by Malice:
Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
I was going to suggest that as well, but with the lack of the iconic archways it just doesn't seem like a good fit. Plus another mapper made a true Tractorworks map in RO1 with a completely different setup, and the pictures don't seem to match up much as far as architecture and layout goes.

Yeah, it's not very accurate. But it is a community-based map, after all.

Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Never realized Yonabaru was Okinawa (probably on account that I only played it one round after crashing when I first loaded it). It also doesn't look much like the type of terrain and fighting that characterized the campaign, but if I recall it starts with a landing - so that might still make sense. The landings didn't encounter heavy fortifications, or at least not the likes seen in previous battles. Plus Okinawa is another one of those rare gems from the island hopping campaigns where comparatively modern villages and towns weren't uncommon.

There was no landing on that map; it starts out with a Stuart tank driving in and getting blown up, followed-up by the infantry (players). It depicts the fight over Yonabaru Airfield on Okinawa.


Originally posted by hippocampalKitten (j):
Besides, I thought you said it didn't perform very well ;D

It didn't originally until Defwen fixed all the bugs, haha. But he refused to fix what he didn't see as a problem with the balance of the map, leaving Axis continually losing it. In all the times I ever played it, I've only seen Axis ever win it once. This is generally a problem with map makers that rarely play the game they map for, let alone their own maps.


i didnt know yonabaru was in okinawa i thought it was a fictional place. i also didnt suspect it because of the terrain and bright colors.
its a shame no one plays that map. i played it twice win one game and lose the other but it was okay. and definitely the biggest problem with custom maps in rising strom is the balance that and some of them makes the game crash. but mainly the balance.
Concordia Jun 20, 2018 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by OMA Wirbelwind:
Phosphate Plant = Palau, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur
Hanto = Papua New Guinea, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Driniumor_River
Maggot Hill = Burma, http://www.raidersmerciless.com/showthread.php?p=100258
Betio = Kiribati, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarawa
Kobura = Fictional battle set in Burma
Bridges of Druzhina = Fictional battle
Bridges of Myshkova = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Winterland = No idea
Cold Steel = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Tula Outskirts = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow
Winterwald is fictional battle tho.
SacdeBallons Apr 14, 2019 @ 3:02am 
Originally posted by RHOCENG:
Originally posted by OMA Wirbelwind:
Phosphate Plant = Palau, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur
Hanto = Papua New Guinea, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Driniumor_River
Maggot Hill = Burma, http://www.raidersmerciless.com/showthread.php?p=100258
Betio = Kiribati, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarawa
Kobura = Fictional battle set in Burma
Bridges of Druzhina = Fictional battle
Bridges of Myshkova = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Winterland = No idea
Cold Steel = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Tula Outskirts = USSR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow
Winterwald is fictional battle tho.

So according to the RO2 wiki, Winterwald is a forest nearby the village of Bryansk.

There was a battle at Bryansk during op. Barbarossa (Moscow front), so it happened in 1941. So you could say the forest is fictional, the battle apparently isn't;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bryansk_(1941)

Fun fact: the creator of the AK-47 (Kalashnikov) was wounded in the shoulder during this battle. The design was inspired by the STG used by the germans.
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BloodMalice Apr 14, 2019 @ 8:54am 
Necro much? Haha.

But according to the mapper, Dan, he has always stated that it's a fictional map. It's simply based on a concept of disabling AA guns near the Moscow front.
WhiteKnight77 Apr 16, 2019 @ 8:31pm 
Myshkova River is where the 17th Panzer Division of the LVII Panzer Corps had established a bridgehead over the river at Nizhne-Kumskii and had to abandon when 6th Panzer Division was having issues in the Vasil'evka sector and the 17th was shifted eastward to help the 6th.

The bridgehead was made during the operations to rescue Sixth Army from Stalingrad during December of 1942 and in which the Soviets launched the Little Saturn operation that resulted in the pushing back of the Germans from the Myshkova and Aksai rivers and ended the rescue operation.
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