Waffen SS Mod

[Degrelle, L.]

Yeap I know, Imersion Overhaul Mutator unfortunatelly is dead, but someone know somehow to put their skins on standard game instead of normal Heer skins? (as they made old main menu of old RO2)

[IRDCAM]

Use search feature...this has all been brought up before..........the fascination with the SS, not PC everywhere, so you got what you got.

[Kiborg]

What is the obsession with SS? There were no SS units in Stalingrad. Id rather see more detailed soviet winter uniforms and jackets.

[IRDCAM]

Kids and their obsessions

[HSTS Femcel]

Originally posted by SrSgt Ivan Patapov:

Kids and their obsessions

The old man has a point.

[Dio]

SS is mainstream, it's in all the hollywood movies. I bet a lot of kids haven't heard of the word Heer. But to be fair, I think a lot of us have the same feeling towards stuff like certain weapons (i know there's a lot of PPSH and Nagant fetishists) so I can understand why some would want the SS uniforms in game.

[Degrelle, L.]

It's NOT a obsession, I'm SS renactor and I wanted something more accuranted with my Uniform
Beside that, RO2 expand maps from beyond from Stalingrad, like Demyansk which was the front where Fritz Christen fight surviving alone etc....
I already know the Heer history but the gap of games telling Waffen-SS History makes us to find it on mods...

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Well historically there weren't SS in stalingrad so any mod would be historically innaccurate.

Luftwaffe flak infantry mod when?

[george47mathew]

Waffen SS fanboys just dig their uniforms....yup! its the uniforms and the insignias.

The SS fighting prowess is due their heavy indoctrination and as a political army, they will fight well like fanatics, while that does seem heroic, they suffered for it..... Brainwashed and overly patriotic soldiers do fight well. But one cannot ignore their extreme crimes either. Their reputation is already too stained.

This is RO2 heroes of Stalingrad. There were no SS units in Stalingrad. Just the good ol Wehrmacht.

[Urethra Scuba Diver]

there were no SS units in staligrad However they were not just camp gurads. They were a great fighting force the best of the best.

[Urethra Scuba Diver]

Originally posted by SrSgt Ivan Patapov:

The Waffen SS originally was a political military arm, and not really as usefull in the field as the common thought is here. As the Waffen SS matured and the manpower crisis began to take a toll the skill was replaced by far more fanatical uses. Tactically they were no better than the standard Heer, but just the 'fanatical' aspect of the young recruits made them harder to displace than standard troops, and thier on field behaviors sometimes made thier 'surrender' not an option. By 44 foreign troops from the occupied territories began to form Waffen SS units due again to the manpower shortage in Germany proper, and the skill set and fanatic nature and 'can't go back' aspect of thier behaviors made them again fall prey to the can't really surrender mode. Overall in post war reports, the Waffen SS tactically were not 'supermen' but did resist a little better and for reason stated than the standard Heer troops. This mystical 'superman' theme is far more hollywood than reality.

The Waffen SS through all the political issues did tend to get priority on better equipment, but the skill of the troops due to manpower shortages really did not maximize the 'advantage', by the last months the Waffen SS had it's share of school age kids conscripted and thrown into the fray, not prepared training wise, but just indoctronated into a 'fanatic' willing to fight and die for the Furher and Fatherland. It is far easier to use 'child' soldiers for 'extreme' measures than older and far more rational 'adults'.

As for best of the best...purely a perception, as the standard Heer accomplished far more with far less than any Waffen SS unit throughout the entire war.

Sir i think you should read about the Waffen SS i agree they were not as big. But they were a great fighting force. And yes i also agree they did start as a political force.

[Degrelle, L.]

I think you missunderstanding the point
First at all, as the very beginning of the discussion, I said "The game shows another maps besides only Stalingrad offencive, as Demyansk (hold by 3. Waffen SS Totenkopf), Bridges of Druzhina and anothers". You must remember that the game now has Western front as well, which includes Germans against Brits and Americans, so I assume on that front could have some Waffen-SS units which would be realistic
Second, you are being childish for impose only your knownledge to anothers, on the very beggining on 1938 until 1940 SS was only a elite and most political unit, but the 3 Waffen SS Units has a manpower for standard infantry itself (in training of course), Wittmann started on 30's piloting a Panzer II and after a StuG, entering in a military school to be a officer
After 1941, Waffen-SS Units as Infantry standart unit was developed for the combat, when the lack of confiability on Heer made the führer invest more on then. Waffen-SS for foreign regions started on 1941 as well not only for the need of the soldier, but because Hitler realize the importance to help the nationalists on his contry on his side and promove a free-will enlistment agains the Bolschewism, which was a far way worse enemy for all
I must remember you that agenda was called since 1940, when Hitler invade Belgium and France, and since there, has free-will enlistment for French and Belgian regions (which Leon Degrelle sign in), and after 1941/1942 some Heer Units (as the Belgians) as transfered as Waffen SS branch... Do I need Remember too the 5. Waffen SS Wiking was created on 1940, when the german doesn't has any manpower issues? Do I need to remember most of Units of Waffen-SS on 1940/1941 as common Infantry was deploy on Army Group Center and North because the most critical point was Moscow and they believe that Stalingrad was already taken? Do I need to remember was Waffen-SS who took Gen.Vlaslov and leed to him a ROA command unit? Waffen SS wasnt only political, as they aren't superman neighter, they are standart soldier infantry with better weapons, and that's all
You just repeat what propaganda does "mimimi warcrimes etc" and try to impose your "Truth" to anothers, that's what I call "selfish childish", but I just ask for a support for that mod, Yeah I know that hasn't SS units over Stalingrad, but the game resumes only on Stalingrad?! With the new map packs (until Heroes of the West pack which has BOCCAGE map, a classical Waffen-SS map) it isn't resume by only Stalingrad, but in resume, support me or get out of the discussion

[IAmNotMatthew]

I would be fine with SS units in the game, historically inaccurate? The game is historically inaccurate already, adding Waffen SS units wouldn't make it any worse.
But it won't happen.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

I would be fine too but you know the law.

In heroes of the west the only SS map would be oosterbeek. So yes possibly a censored SS uniform but then you have the issue of who's gonna make it.

Also in bocage the area we picked was actually largely defended by the Panzer Lehr division. Backed up by SS armour. Along with various other german units, flak, Fallshirmjager and many from the 327th grenadier division. The 12th SS were the closest but they were about 15km out east of that particular location. As yeah it's actually a Google maps image of an area to the north west of Saint Lo. Though now I suppose you want a panzer Lehr division uniform lol.

[IRDCAM]

Yawn- León Degrelle ♥♥ unless you are willing to do the mod yourself, doubt we will ever see Waffen SS uniforms in any variation. Great you are a 'fan', typical behavior for the usual 'fanboy' defending thier perception, history and written records tend not to be 'questioned' by true historiand and re-enactors, and anyone can come up with small examples of anything in a subject as large as WW2.

[jungle.james]

Just make a new game mode around a prison break with these modded SS units.

Red Orchestra 2: The Great Escape.