Steam Link

Steam Link

Virtech Jun 4, 2015 @ 10:58am
Why not Gigabit?
The store page says 100 Mbit. I realize alot of people don't have gigabit networks at home but it seems like a no brainer to go with a Gigabit NIC since there isn't much of a price difference.
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Grendel Jun 6, 2015 @ 1:35am 
I hope they make one with a vampire tap because I want to connect it to my thicknet network.:Rex:
BlueRaja Jun 6, 2015 @ 9:05am 
If in the future you want to stream 4k, the limiting factor on this hardware will be the encoding/decoding time, not the bandwidth. I highly doubt a $50 piece of hardware intended for streaming 1080p will decode a 4k stream in near real time.
Last edited by BlueRaja; Jun 6, 2015 @ 9:06am
Satoru Jun 6, 2015 @ 7:11pm 
Originally posted by 3.1415926535...:
Even accepting that 100Mb is enough for 1080p@60fps (+ surround? audio + controller orders from link to PC + controller feedback like force-feedback from PC to link + any connection that link does to internet for whatever, like searching/downloading updates)... What if in the future we have gaming machines that are able to stream 4K video and 7.1 audio too? (and I really don't think this is that far from now)

Note to ENCODE 4k and 7.1 audio would require on board encoders that dont exist yet.

You're talking about a possible future, that by definition would basicallyrequire hardware that doesn't exist today anyway.

It makes little sense to 'future proof' a $50 device for something you have no idea is going to happen, what encoding protocol will be standard on the encryption side and thus what hardware youd need on the receiver end as well

The reason its $50 is because its a dedicated ARM processor with a dedicated H264 decoder. It's basically designed just to do 1080p@60fps and that's it. On the host end, they already know that anything about 50mps creates way too much latency on the client side to be even usable.

You can't future proof something that's $50. If we get to the point where 4k tvs are $500 at Walmart and the PS9 or XboxCortana all do 4k at 60fps then Valve can just re-release the $50 appliance at that time. There's no utility in future proofing it, increasing its cost, for basically zero benefit for several years. 4K is no where near ubiquitous yet. So there's not much point in 'planning' the device for a future that isn't even on the forseable horizon yet.
Last edited by Satoru; Jun 6, 2015 @ 7:12pm
tone loc 84 Jun 7, 2015 @ 12:24pm 
Netflix 4k I believe is 25mbps, netflix HD is 6mbps (Which i think looks quite good on my 55")

The higest bluray I have ever seen was Avatar, and that was 40mbps, and it looks phenomenal.

I've got a gigabit network, and honestly the only difference i ever notice is that file transfers are much faster.

I'm suprised it's only 100mbps (I'd imagine it's pennies more for gigabit), but i'd be highly skeptical it would make a serious difference in the image quality.
Last edited by tone loc 84; Jun 7, 2015 @ 12:25pm
madasahat Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:20pm 
test what you need by streaming to a laptop from your "rig" press the "more info" button and see how much bandwidth you need 100 will be enough see for yourself at 1080p I have never seen it go past 30

EDIT: I also have a Nvida shield tablet that streams steam localy via wifi and or ethernet that does not need 1000 also.
Last edited by madasahat; Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:21pm
madasahat Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:37pm 
here is my scren shot of in game streaming to my laptop now try and argue you NEED 1000

Proof [postimg.org]
Last edited by madasahat; Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:37pm
*fu* Dr.n00b Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:40pm 
Originally posted by madasahat:
here is my scren shot of in game streaming to my laptop now try and argue you NEED 1000

Proof [postimg.org]


Nice, and under magnification it looks fine! No obvious artefacts.

1366x768 = 1049088 pixels it is estimating bandwidth 12Mbps
1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels

12 / 1049088 * 2073600 = 23 Mbps

Around 20 to 25 Mbps for 1080p @ 60fps - as an engineer lets call that 30Mbps (heheh)

Assuming your fancy 1Gbps router can do 60Mbps on a 100Mbps line (hopefully its better) then your still have half your bandwidth in reserve.
Last edited by *fu* Dr.n00b; Jun 7, 2015 @ 1:53pm
madasahat Jun 7, 2015 @ 2:30pm 
Originally posted by *fu* Dr.n00b:
Originally posted by madasahat:
here is my scren shot of in game streaming to my laptop now try and argue you NEED 1000

Proof [postimg.org]


Nice, and under magnification it looks fine! No obvious artefacts.

1366x768 = 1049088 pixels it is estimating bandwidth 12Mbps
1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels

12 / 1049088 * 2073600 = 23 Mbps

Around 20 to 25 Mbps for 1080p @ 60fps - as an engineer lets call that 30Mbps (heheh)

Assuming your fancy 1Gbps router can do 60Mbps on a 100Mbps line (hopefully its better) then your still have half your bandwidth in reserve.


I do have a 1Gbps router but I have fibre connection with streaming netflix to my roku (wifi) which I have on the 2.4Hz spectrum and all the phones and tablets on the 2.4, so anything I NEED (want ;) ) if my socket power line ehternet connections are not good enough (out of 100 i get 60 so yeah) I use the 5.0Hz just for me and my toys.

That screen shot was been rendered at 1080p on my "rig" and downsampled to my terrible resolution screen on my laptop.

If the shield tablet that I have is anythng to go by (btw that is only 100) and does 1080p 60fps when plugged in to ethernet or on 5.0 wifi, plugged into the TV via HDMI. In-game streaming will be fine for steam. In fact plenty, it says it is going to do 1080p at 60fps well no need for anything else IMHO

I am going to get one of these and the pad just because I know how good it is and how it will look for my living room TV when streaming (plus I sold it to my GF so she can play the new batman while I am at work without the hastle of my PC and her having to mess without my supervisoin!!!!) Plus the price is way cheaper than getting a PS4/XBONE just for her to play

I am glad you had a good look at the screenshot in detail. People like to make a big fuss over nothing.

Things would be different if steam were saying it was going to do 2k at 120 fps but hte "regualar" pc gamer does not have that rig anyway and this is aimed at the majority not the minority [quad sli titan crew] (they dont need it!!!!!)

Sorry for going on but I am glad someone could see what I was hoping for with that screeny
Satoru Jun 7, 2015 @ 5:43pm 
Originally posted by tone loc 84:
Netflix 4k I believe is 25mbps, netflix HD is 6mbps (Which i think looks quite good on my 55")

Movies work entirely differently than live streaming.

Remember movies are not latency dependent. Which means they can spend 15 minutes pre-loaing content before sending it to you in the most highly compressed method possible. Also since the content is static they can spend hours pre-compressing it with the highest fidelity and compression ratio before sending it to you.

If streaming did this, you wouldnt notice you had lost 3 rounds of CSGO before the stream started.

For game streaming especially you need to balance fidelity with latency. and in fact gamers are much much much more sensitive to latency issues than fidelity problems. Despite people devouring screenshot comparisions like an episiode of CSI, most people couldn't actually discern the minor details that are lost while they're actually playing from a fidelity perspective. But if the latency was off, the game immediately feels 'wrong'.

Steam in home streaming already knows this. And caps the actual streaming to 30mpbs on the host unles you uncap it. At which point unless you have some kind of monster rig like an array of 2001 Obelisks, the latency for the enconding process is going to kill the gameplay.
Last edited by Satoru; Jun 7, 2015 @ 5:45pm
Satoru Jun 7, 2015 @ 6:02pm 
Originally posted by madasahat:
here is my scren shot of in game streaming to my laptop now try and argue you NEED 1000

Proof [postimg.org]

Well to play devils advocate you're streaming 720p not 1080p :P
Last edited by Satoru; Jun 7, 2015 @ 6:03pm
8BitCerberus Jun 8, 2015 @ 12:24am 
Originally posted by stapper:
If it's really 100Mbit/s, you should run wireless on AC, you cant use in home streaming with 100Mbit/s speeds
It must be a Typo, it must be ...

Sure you can. I do it with powerline ethernet and that tops out around 80Mbps. A solid 100Mbps connection would be fine.

Originally posted by abarnes4:
My gaming PC is connected to the router via Trendnet '500 Mbps' AV2 powerline adapters, with gigabit connections at each end.

I've got the 200 version of that adapter which has 100Mbps connections at each end. The age of your home wiring may indeed be massively affecting the overall speed. Our house was built in 2006 and I get about 80Mbps sustained. I would think though, even with older wiring, you should be seeing 100+Mbps from your adapter.

Originally posted by 3.1415926535...:
What if in the future we have gaming machines that are able to stream 4K video and 7.1 audio too? (and I really don't think this is that far from now)

It's 50 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dollars. When 4K rigs with 7.1 audio are the norm you can toss your old Steam Link and buy the upgraded Steam Link 2 that supports 4K and 7.1 when it inevitably comes out. Why worry about what you might have in the future? Look at what your needs are now and if they don't exceed 100Mbps (hint: they don't) then you're going to be fine. $50 is practically disposable, especially if you have the kind of money it takes to have a playable 4K gaming rig. By the time those are at all within reach of normal gamers, I'm sure there will be a Steam Link ready to support it.
Last edited by 8BitCerberus; Jun 8, 2015 @ 12:24am
Supersolenoid Jun 8, 2015 @ 2:28am 
100mbps does seem low, but let's not forget guys that we don't know what hardware is in the device, or it's capabilities. I'm sure they have found a way to make it work in a very optimised manner.
Space is big Jun 8, 2015 @ 2:40am 
Just want to jump in here and point out that the overhead on 100Mbps will never translate into more than 25Mbps. Even in a headless trunk with full hardware offsetting you wouldn't see more than 50Mbps.
This seems like as good a time as any to point out that regardless of what you think the technical specifications infer about this product it was designed by professionals and has been tested thoroughly.
It will do what it was designed to do.
Last edited by Space is big; Jun 8, 2015 @ 2:41am
neo Jun 8, 2015 @ 3:06am 
Definitely a typo, my first peer to peer gigabit fiber optic home network was built in 1998 and my home that was built in 2000 is wired for fiber optic. Besides, this device won’t even be available until Q4 2015, the cusp of 2016, so there’s absolutely no way on Earth that Valve would choose an archaic wired Ethernet protocol that’s 1/5 to even 1/10 the speed of the wireless alternative. 4k is just around the corner so the 1GB bandwidth will be mandatory for Steam Link to have any semblance of a viable lifespan. Unless the plan is to massively compress and degrade the video and audio signal? Do away with 5.1 audio and send only a stripped down 2.0 signal to the receiver, and godawful Netflix style video compression where you get sputters down to 480p frequently and blacks that look like blotches of fog during 1080p. If that's case, 100MB/s is absolute overkill.
Krabaj Jun 8, 2015 @ 5:51am 
Decided to stream Fifa 15 to my TV from my PC using a laptop. Here's my networking setup:

PC with Gigabit Ethernet > Cat6 cable > Gigabit switch > Cat6 cable > 200Mbps Powerline > Cat6 cable > Virgin Media SuperHub > Cat6 cable > Laptop with Gigabit Ethernet

It's sort of okay. When I wasn't playing a match it was fine however in a match the communication between A and B was quite slow. The game was playable but you definitely noticed periodic jumps and in particular when you had a penalty and you need to get the line in the green area there was about half a second delay between pressing the button and the line stopping moving. Obviously everything in my connection link-up is Gigabit except for the 200Mbps Powerline. If it's that jumpy with a 200mb bottle-neck, I hate to think what a 100mb bottle-neck does.

I actually started out by using Wi-Fi betwen SuperHub and Laptop, but that was excruciatingly slow.
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