Is this game communist socialist propaganda?

[ob]

Sure sounds like it

[Valdistrophy]

The question is : if there is only one true ending, what about choices in the game ?

[Darth Blacksaber]

Comminsim and Socialism are two seperate things y'know

[Hanako]

Originally posted by Valadorn:

The question is : if there is only one true ending, what about choices in the game ?

There appears to be at least some choices:

https://s.vndb.org/sf/45/82745.jpg

I don't know how many, and I don't know if they turn out to be meaningless and all go to the same point, but there does seem to be at least one choice.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Valadorn:

The question is : if there is only one true ending, what about choices in the game ?

a lot of vn have one true ending. And 100 of thers normal and bad endings. That often presents canon route for next game or what devs considered the main storyline.

[Peter]

Originally posted by oblisk:

Is this game communist socialist propaganda?

We can but hope.

[Dan C.]

Let's not look to labels. Was anything portrayed in the Visial Novel unrealistic? If you've never been to a country with near unbreakable class barriers than it's hard to understand. However, in every era of human history, there was a place where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.

[Katzenwerfer]

While it is true that abuse of power in a mercantile or imperialist (oligargical) system will violate natural law, leading to popular reactions, the shape taken by these reactions is not certain. Many other factors, both cultural and economic are at play.

I haven't played for very long, but I hope and expect to be provided a deep look into the moral and political complexities of this world. So far the characters are compelling, the visual style is pleasing, and the setting is fertile ground for an honest, thought-provoking exploration of liberty and human rights. However, I fear this story will be little more than a soap-box for marxist ideology.

Can anyone who has completed the game confirm or deny the suspicions of the OP?

[Pazoozoo]

Originally posted by Katzenwerfer:

While it is true that abuse of power in a mercantile or imperialist (oligargical) system will violate natural law, leading to popular reactions, the shape taken by these reactions is not certain. Many other factors, both cultural and economic are at play.

I haven't played for very long, but I hope and expect to be provided a deep look into the moral and political complexities of this world. So far the characters are compelling, the visual style is pleasing, and the setting is fertile ground for an honest, thought-provoking exploration of liberty and human rights. However, I fear this story will be little more than a soap-box for marxist ideology.

Can anyone who has completed the game confirm or deny the suspicions of the OP?

It is not. It presents very real, very human social ideas in an alternate, interesting setting. Each character has their own beliefs, personalities and goals, and for the most part (4/6 endings) it all ends with a minimum of ideology. That being said, it doesn't really turn a blind eye to the ugly truth of the situation, either, and the two oppression-focused endings are told in a thought-provoking, compelling manner.

So while socialist ideas are mentioned (heavily in the two main endings), both sides of the spectrum are looked at, good, bad, in-between.

If you want a nice bit of brain stimuli, go for the 'true' ending. If you want social justice (and consequently a more believable story, imo), go for the 'libertad' ending.

[vyew]

Originally posted by Katzenwerfer:

However, I fear this story will be little more than a soap-box for marxist ideology.

Can anyone who has completed the game confirm or deny the suspicions of the OP?

There is a large exposition dump in the latter half of the story that presents arguments both for and against capitalism AND socialism. Aside from that the story is character driven as usual.

[Bud]

Even if it IS purely Socialism...what truly is so wrong about that? I hate to break it to you, but here are some major flaws with BOTH systems of governement and maybe those who think that it is "Our way or the 'Devils Way' truly need to turn off Cable News and actually READ what Socialism and ....god forbid yet another B.S. debate on this topic...Communism truly is about and not to run their mouth like an uneduated idiot.

[Flobblem]

Is this game communist socialist propaganda?

Hopefully, yes.

(playing through it now)

[Centipede]

Originally posted by Katzenwerfer:

While it is true that abuse of power in a mercantile or imperialist (oligargical) system will violate natural law, leading to popular reactions, the shape taken by these reactions is not certain. Many other factors, both cultural and economic are at play.

I haven't played for very long, but I hope and expect to be provided a deep look into the moral and political complexities of this world. So far the characters are compelling, the visual style is pleasing, and the setting is fertile ground for an honest, thought-provoking exploration of liberty and human rights. However, I fear this story will be little more than a soap-box for marxist ideology.

Can anyone who has completed the game confirm or deny the suspicions of the OP?

This story doesn't seem to have the finesse I would hope for so far. And I do not hold much hope for thought-provoking explorations nowadays.
3 hours into the story and it started feeling like OP describes it. I am not amused.

[NHL]

don't think so. It is just some kind of Utopia in many novels/films. not propaganda.

i know that many people lives in western countries may think Utopia as communist or socialist, but they are not the same thing.

In a real socialism country, utopia is marked as an ideal theory and not practice(just as in game, the so beauty and lost ending). communism is too hard to acheive nowadays. SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY(so the communist party is the only GREAT, GLORIOUS,CORRECT party).

so, the socialism is just a transitional stage to communism, though may need many many years(in the mid of 20th, somebody say only 10yrs, and the sign is that everyone can eat beef soup mix with potatos, but in the 1980-1990s, they realize the transition may take hundreds yrs, or even longer)

in fact ,in some people's opinion, socialism = state capitalism;


OK,back to the title

if somebody dare to propaganda communism/socialism like this game, such as describe the revolution as riot, or even the leader betray his faith and comrades just because of two girls...
a game like this will never be allowed to publish in a real socialism county,cause IT IS ANTI-REVOLUTION.


So, i think the game is more about compassion, the only magic that can't be solved, just like utopia will never acheive.

Although unpractice, utopia still exists in people's heart and mind in deep, when they frustrated by the real f**king world, that idea will heal their pain (the same effort like god, heaven or something). The same effort as compassion from others.

others are hell, but some times could be also heaven.

Just like the piano in the true ending, COMPASSION, HOPE & MIRACLE. NOT VIOLENCE & REVOLUTION (WHICH LEAD TO SOCIALISM IN THE 20th)

[Elfie]

There is many endings. I only got True ending so far, and if i can call this a propaganda - its a Constitutional Monarchy propagada, however weird it sounds.

This game is about choice, and if you choose to stick with revolutions - its too late to complain that they are forcing all their agenda upon you. Reload save and try getting another route ^^

[Trolldrool]

In my last playthrough I helped the police put down a proletariat revolution before it could really get started. No idea which ending that is, but unless it's the devs intention for that to be a 'bad ending', I struggle to see it as communist propaganda.