Urban Empire

Urban Empire

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VoiD Jan 22, 2017 @ 6:55am
It feels like a cheat, makes the game too easy.
1: Start the game
2: Build a district
3: Go red
4: Increase taxes to the max 20/20%
5: Build some more
6: Get red again
7: Push 25 or 26% taxes with political actions

You'll never have to worry about money ever again. If there is any downside to doing this I have not found it yet. Everything I build has max infra structure, services, everything is over 9 satisfaction and the city has over 90m in the bank mid second era. In fact it's enough to build the whole map with medium density, all services and all infra structure before the 3rd era.

The game seems to have a very strong leftist political ideology push, everything you pass makes everyone's lives better so just accept everything, they will keep pushing till you do anyway, the more you tax people to give them services the better the society gets and the more money you make, think of yourself as Stalin and you'll succeed.

PS: The conservative family is obviously portrayed as proto-nazis with moralistic views and a lot of dirt, for example I just "had" to cheat on my wife because I needed an heir, there was no option to not cheat or to try something else, it's just their story =/
Last edited by VoiD; Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:00am
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ladynicole Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:03am 
I tried this method several times yet still haven't succeeded. Damn politions won't OK the increase in tax. :( Nearly $500,000 in the red, going further each month and they won't even approve a 2% tax increase let alone the maximum. God knows what I'm doing wrong but every game ends in me getting booted as mayor. lol
Masterhummel Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:04am 
Well, the downside is that you'll get voted out in the third era. But yeah, you can lay a extremly solid foundation for era III with it. As long as you nominated by the emperor, it doesn't count how much the people in your city hate your guts. In Era III however, they'll kick you out on the first chance they get.

The 'leftist' laws doesn't make everything better. It just looks that way because every positive value has a green background. If you read the tooltips, you see that it - for example - increases the amount of sales a company needs to be profitable or the amount of life quality a pop demands. So it's usually a clever thing to repel them as long as possible.
Last edited by Masterhummel; Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:06am
VoiD Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:55am 
Originally posted by Masterhummel:
Well, the downside is that you'll get voted out in the third era. But yeah, you can lay a extremly solid foundation for era III with it. As long as you nominated by the emperor, it doesn't count how much the people in your city hate your guts. In Era III however, they'll kick you out on the first chance they get.

The 'leftist' laws doesn't make everything better. It just looks that way because every positive value has a green background. If you read the tooltips, you see that it - for example - increases the amount of sales a company needs to be profitable or the amount of life quality a pop demands. So it's usually a clever thing to repel them as long as possible.
Will they? The overall happiness is maxed out at 9 permanently.

As for the reforms, I know that much but considering you're swimming in cash just place 1 or 2 well funded services and you'll be sitting at 9+ satisfaction in that area and over half a million monthly income anyway

Originally posted by ladynicole:
I tried this method several times yet still haven't succeeded. Damn politions won't OK the increase in tax. :( Nearly $500,000 in the red, going further each month and they won't even approve a 2% tax increase let alone the maximum. God knows what I'm doing wrong but every game ends in me getting booted as mayor. lol

Go nutts with politics, threaten and demand your way into everything, it doesn't matter it will reset over time.

Once you go super-green and get infinite money whatever you say will get full support from all parties in the parlament, haven't touched the demand button in an hour.
Last edited by VoiD; Jan 22, 2017 @ 7:56am
kaibioinfo Jan 22, 2017 @ 8:16am 
I always had the feeling that "demand for industry, commerce etc is reduced when increasing taxes. So you cannot expand. However, maybe you can counter this by a high happiness.

Unfortunately, the game does not give any feedback about the consequences of your laws, taxes, buildings.
Entropic Jan 22, 2017 @ 8:49am 
Originally posted by kaibioinfo:
I always had the feeling that "demand for industry, commerce etc is reduced when increasing taxes. So you cannot expand. However, maybe you can counter this by a high happiness.

Unfortunately, the game does not give any feedback about the consequences of your laws, taxes, buildings.
Right, that makes sense. I built an entirely new district and NOTHING would pop in it. Literally nothing, and every demand was in the red which was utterly bizarre because I was making over 150k in era II, but then I moved into era III and my economy just tanked so badly I had to start over.

I do think there are different ways to play to take advantage of the events that happen in each era. Still trying to figure out how supply and demand in this game works.
Drake Jan 22, 2017 @ 11:44am 
When demand is in the red, it means the services are not needed.
jie Jan 22, 2017 @ 12:03pm 
Just expand at the start. Nick the taxes slowly up and dont overuse the services. Try to make more industry only zones and homes/shops.

Lovely income spike when you upgrade to mid density industry
Λ | Helge Jan 22, 2017 @ 2:37pm 
Originally posted by VoiD:
Here's a screenshot if it helps

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=848023720

is tyhat high density districts ? as soon as i put them on medium i go in the red even if i have 37 / % in taxes
VoiD Jan 23, 2017 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Λ | Sturmviking:
Originally posted by VoiD:
Here's a screenshot if it helps

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=848023720

is tyhat high density districts ? as soon as i put them on medium i go in the red even if i have 37 / % in taxes
Medium, don't have high density yet
MetalBear Jan 23, 2017 @ 7:37am 
Void, this strategy is only viable if you don't get to the "Go red" part of the plan. If you push the taxes high early on, they'll accept it.
mr_pan7s Jan 23, 2017 @ 7:41am 
taxing to the max only works so long and also depends on a lot of factors. i find that when you are making to much bank for no reason that you will be asked to lower tax. tax also effects RCI. having a high tax don't mean they won't grow exactly but having a to high of tax might. also yeah if you are overly taxing and the politicians don't see a need they will vote against you more likely it seems in the 3rd era to be removed from office. even if your happiness is all the way up.

now decreasing your tax has a lot of benifits too. if you do it at the right times you will actually notice your total income go up over time. also lower tax allows more personal growth which will help poor people become working class and working class become middle class and so on up to elite. which will get you more income because those groups pay more for tax per person in theory.

it is a very complex system then can be simplified sometimes but allows you to get better results if you play with it more then just tax to the max
mr_pan7s Jan 23, 2017 @ 7:42am 
oh yeah nice little tutorial though otherwise :)
bigcat Jan 23, 2017 @ 9:59am 
I'm well into the third era with 25% taxes and an 8 on WoL. Districts at mid to high density and on every grid with lots of services and all the 'T' buildings built and improved and way ahead on tech and I have no probelms getting elected and turning a huge profit. Basically it seems that happiness = demand and profit and pretty much everything in this game. Keep every single WoL trait above 5 and closer to 10 and you seem to be fine with high taxes. I tried all my other games at about 10% tax and struggled, this way is far easier. So tax but don't forget to spend, spend, spend...

Note I pushed getting on the grid and email early and hard and put the extra revenue into helping business and the poor at every step.
Last edited by bigcat; Jan 23, 2017 @ 10:01am
acemok Jan 23, 2017 @ 10:29am 
whats "go red" mean exactly :) ?
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