Lesbian Simulator 2015 Needs More Romance

[Yuri Deluxe]

Character spoilers ahead.

The Rebirth games are my first experience with the Neptunia games, which I never got into cuz I assumed they were fanservicey trash, which they can be here and there. (Tongue scene I'm looking at you.) But what I really liked about Rebirth 1 was that it sort of treats lesbian and bisexual women as the default. Noire is incredibly tsundere for Neptune, and Vert and Iffy crushing hard on each other was cute and funny and I was rooting for them the whole game.

I was very happy to see that Rebirth 2 keeps up with the queer women default, tho the gross straight dudes present in some scenes (Like the concert, just to offer an example) kinda muddied that for me, but on the whole I'm still hype as hell about this game. I just got the True ending, already have gotten the Conquest and Normal endings, and I'm planning on getting all the others.

The one thing that still bugs me about Rebirth 2 is just that there doesn't seem to be a reciprocated attraction like there was between IF and Vert in Rebirth 1. Chika lusts for Vert, but Vert doesn't seem to lust for Chika. Cave is clearly in love with 5pb. but we don't see enough of 5pb. to ever know if she feels the same about Cave. (I will say tho that one scene between Cave and 5pb. reminded me of how my own girlfriend and I act toward each other) Neptune is too busy being LOLSORANDOM (she is funny don't get me wrong) to notice that Noire feels that way about her. Etc etc. (I even think Underling might have been in love with CFW Magic, tho I'm not certain of that.)

Anyway, I just wanted to vocalize this, show that there are queer women who are super into these games for that aspect, and vocalize my hope that Rebirth 3 has some reciprocated lesbian romance. I'm really excited for when it makes its way onto Steam and will buy it the moment it does.

[Moga CMDR]

davidb11 a écrit :

I just was a bit disorientated by people going off the OP for something.

I didn't see the replies as aggressive, just jaded. People familiar with the artform may have had a similar discussion lots of times so they don't sweeten words anymore and just say what is on their mind. But I don't think anyone was trying to be rude.

[Sir Fluffykins]

The "Yuri" is there, but I think someone is taking offense to people pointing out the game is aimed at males and not lesbian women. There is pletny of lesbian themes, but the game was definitely meant for men.

The game even says it at one point when all the girls are at a concert and the gay boy band shows up and there's a riot.

The only thing that stops the riots is the sisters dancing on stage, because the crowd are all perverted male Otaku.

Seriously this game makes guys in general look gross, it's kinda offensive XD

[davidb11]

I wasn't trying to take offense at that, though.
I know it's primarily made for men.

I just didn't see why that primarily made for men thing was a huge block to there being anything serious.

[Moga CMDR]

Sir Fluffykins a écrit :

and the gay boy band shows up and there's a riot.

I did not know they were gay. I just thought it was a boy band!

Sir Fluffykins a écrit :

Seriously this game makes guys in general look gross, it's kinda offensive XD

Yep, they love beating up on their target audience.(target audience does not mean exclusive audience, just their core buyers)

Those otaku representations. And all the male enemies look ugly.

davidb11 a écrit :

I just didn't see why that primarily made for men thing was a huge block to there being anything serious.

I don't think I would say that literally. But that the yuri elements are just decorative and honestly not very deep (at least so far). You can read into it however ya like, but if the devs don't continue down the path you envision I wouldn't be surprised.

[davidb11]

And yeah, I know their target audience is males, and probably some creepy males among them, :), but really, people reading things differently shouldn't be a catastrophically bad thing.

There are Yuri undertones, and relationships between women in this game.
But not 100% of it is designed to make guys drool. :)

And yeah, you do make a good point. But with the way this game has been, and the first, the 3rd isn't going to be a disappointment unless someone is revealed to be a man wearing fake breasts. :)
Or Futanari, because that's a thing too. :)

[Yuri Deluxe]

I didn't say anything about the intended audience, but that the cast is pretty much all lesbian/bi is pretty heavily established by the text of the work. Thus why it appeals to me. Like I said, I just wanted to show that there are queer women who are into these games and express my hope that there'd be more romance in Rebirth 3 compared with this one. Frankly, if me saying these characters are all queer is enough to get your panties in a twist, you might be a bit oversensitive about the issue.

Also you probably don't know as much about Japanese culture as some of you are acting like you do, and regardless in the US its a different cultural context. (IIRC I think the female audience for these games is higher in the US than in Japan, but I'd have to doublecheck that.)

[Moga CMDR]

davidb11 a écrit :

There are Yuri undertones, and relationships between women in this game.

Yeah but the Yuri part isn't necessarily deep, and one of the tropes is the unrequited portion too. I've seen lots of very one sided Yuri "relationships" that remain in that state perpetually.

I don't know what the future holds, and I don't want to know either until we can play the games on steam.

Yuri Deluxe a écrit :

IFrankly, if me saying these characters are all queer is enough to get your panties in a twist, you might be a bit oversensitive about the issue.

No one said that. You are missing the point.

[Harag]

davidb11 a écrit :

I just didn't see why that primarily made for men thing was a huge block to there being anything serious.

ahhh now I know the problem.
The block is there beacause the game is japanese. If a popular girl gets a romance option in game the japanese may riot.

There was a manga called Kannagi where at some point the lead female character was suspected not to be a virgin. The author of the manga suddenly got a ton of death threaths and there were "fans" who posted pictures how they burned/destroyed copies of said manga.
Since then the japanese makers think things trough many times before doing something and id possible they will avoid a serious love intrest if the main character is not a male.

[OuchThatHurt]

Sir Fluffykins a écrit :

The only thing that stops the riots is the sisters dancing on stage, because the crowd are all perverted male Otaku.

Seriously this game makes guys in general look gross, it's kinda offensive XD

Malist soical justice worrior? I jest of course but I think that is the whole idea that is ment to be a joke about they system/industry and anime and gaming cultcher.

People read far to much into things at times and miss the simple truths ;)

[davidb11]

Yuri Deluxe a écrit :

I didn't say anything about the intended audience, but that the cast is pretty much all lesbian/bi is pretty heavily established by the text of the work. Thus why it appeals to me. Like I said, I just wanted to show that there are queer women who are into these games and express my hope that there'd be more romance in Rebirth 3 compared with this one. Frankly, if me saying these characters are all queer is enough to get your panties in a twist, you might be a bit oversensitive about the issue.

Also you probably don't know as much about Japanese culture as some of you are acting like you do, and regardless in the US its a different cultural context. (IIRC I think the female audience for these games is higher in the US than in Japan, but I'd have to doublecheck that.)

Honestly, I think what happened is a bunch of people misunderstood your original point.
I don't think anyone here is actually mad at you.

I think maybe people just thought you were taking things too seriously, even though you weren't.

[raigon]

"Yuri for men, "seinen yuri", tends to emphasize sweetness, femininity, girlishness, innocence, purity, and Moe generally. It usually has a very romanticized view of what it's like to be a teenage girl. This is in contrast to the standard Girl-on-Girl Is Hot scenarios (lustful women making out with each other for the viewer's delectation, often mixed with heterosexual content in fanservice-driven shows) which are usually not considered yuri. Men's yuri typically fetishizes femininity and youthfulness and rarely focuses on long-standing relationships or adult characters, much less LGBTQ culture and social issues."

Read more: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YuriGenre?from=Main.GirlsLove#ixzz3c6haUsjM

I think this game just has this type of yuri.

[Moga CMDR]

Ravencrowned a écrit :

Men's yuri typically fetishizes femininity and youthfulness and rarely focuses on long-standing relationships or adult characters, much less LGBTQ culture and social issues."

I think this game just has this type of yuri.

I agree.

[davidb11]

Which kind of proves what I said about people misunderstanding her point. :)

Maybe I'm missing something huge here, and people can help me figure it out.

I just don't understand, and it's frustrating to not understand what's going on here.
Could someone please explain it to me?

Also, let's be honest, Women know these things better than men. :)
There's a reason 85% or so Slash writers are women. :)

And seriously, who lumps Yuri and Yaoi into random sub-categories.
Seriously, who does that? I mean, sure the story ideas aren't all the same, and there's different levels, but Yuri has always meant girl-girl love. Different levels, like from "I love you." to kissing, to nakedness. :)

No one complicates something simple. No one. And nothing is more complicated then putting random definitions on a word, and changing the meaning in one of the most convoluted ways possible.

And why use TV tropes on this?
Also, Marik said it best.

[Marik]

This game is aimed at Straight men in the same way My Little Pony is aimed at little girls.

[davidb11]

Marik a écrit :

This game is aimed at Straight men in the same way My Little Pony is aimed at little girls.

Thank you for that.
That is much better than my rambling mess, and a good way to point out the flaws.

My Little Pony is aimed for everyone, and can be understood by many different people, not just little girls.
Which is why the Brony movement became a thing.