Convene suggestions needed

[TalonStrike1993]

I started playing about 2 weeks ago, and so far I have the following 5-stars:
Calcharo
Yinlin
Verina
Encore

I got a lot of confusing and unhelpful advice from the hordes on that bastard app called Discord, so I'm looking for more thoughtful advice here.

I have enough astride to get Zani and possibly Phoebe before the current event ends (but not 5* weapons). I know I want to get The Shorekeeper ASAP, and I have also enjoyed playing Camellya, Changli, and Carlotta when the game adds them to my lineup for quests.

What does everyone recommend? Get Zani and Phoebe now, or hold out for the next event and get a different combo pair? I don't know enough about how the event rotation works, so it's hard for me to plan. I have a feeling that the anniversary event may not be the best example of how things typically work.

Calcharo / Yinlin / Verina has been effective enough, even without 5* weapons, but it is more challenging for some content. And now I'm also running into content that requires two functional teams, and a team with Encore, Rover, and support 4* isn't cutting it.

I like how the game won't let you whale too much, but at the same time, it's hard to build two solid teams quickly. There are several characters I'd like to get (mentioned above), and I can save for them over time. But in the moment, I need to figure out what to do before the event ends next week.

[Kamidori]

Just refer to this video and it covers pretty much all the characters in the banner and their strengths. Although you can't go wrong with Zani/Phoebe if you can get them both since they perform very well on all endgame content (TOA, Whiwa, Hologram).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q63iabrQc_8

[TalonStrike1993]

What I really need to know is what *normal* events are like, how long they last, and how many characters / weapons I'm likely to pull if I play extensively and spend some cash.

Again, the anniversary event and all the astride I'm getting from new maps / quests is probably giving me a false impression of what things will be like after I've played for several months.

[Kamidori]

Events usually last for a whole patch which is 42 days. Some events are only 21 days or the first half of the banner. If you are looking for the average amount of pulls in wuwa every patch, there is bookkeeping on the amount of pulls we got so far from 1.0 in the link below. How many characters/signature weapon you get per patch will depend on your luck. For reference, I am a regular lunite subscription and purchased 3 battle pass so far since 1.0 and I have all characters so far except Roccia including some signature weapons but I consider my account on a luckier side so its not relatable and I'm clearing every content since patch 1.2.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1msSsnWBcXKniykf4rWQCEdk2IQuB9JHy/edit?gid=792709623#gid=792709623

[ArmorRoid]

Originally posted by TalonStrike1993:

What I really need to know is what *normal* events are like, how long they last, and how many characters / weapons I'm likely to pull if I play extensively and spend some cash.

Again, the anniversary event and all the astride I'm getting from new maps / quests is probably giving me a false impression of what things will be like after I've played for several months.

Its hard to say since its a little bit up and down, there are alot of these AI voice channels that roughtly estimate how much we can possibly get if you do absolutely everything, but should ofcourse be takes with a grain of salt. And you can tune into the special programs that usally streams 2 weeks before a new patch goes live to see what we will get for events, so that you maybe can plan ahead a little bit.

[76561198975123562]

im a new player who started playing 2 days ago but even i know that there is a website that shares the full details on events, how they end and what is the next rotation of characters for convene, you can check seek it out and then plan and decide for yourself, thats pretty much youre best option
and i'd say get verina now, and save for changli that comes next week, so youre team would be, encore, changli, verina, and if you have anything left, start buying suitable 5 star weapons
hope it helps

[TalonStrike1993]

I used my convenes to get Zhezhi, and it (eventually) gave me Verina instead, presumably for my pity. WTF? It did the same thing last week when I tried for Yinlin, giving me Verina instead.

What's the point in selecting the character you want when it's just going to give you a different one?

[Paper]

Here is how I see is if you are aiming to be F2P.

Since you already have Verina you don't need to get ShoreKeeper early. Keeper mainly gives the same buff as Verina, Baizi can still carry you throughout the game especially if you have her duplicate, which you would eventually.

Shorekeeper won't be rerun for another 3 months at best. So no rush here.

Zani and Phoebe are right now a very strong team. And Phoebe herself can be play as both DPS and Support. This team however need to rely on eachother.

Phoebe "has" to be paired with Rover Spectro if she wants to play as DPS.

Zani "has" to be paired with Phoebe or Rover (F2P option) if she wants to deal damage. Phoebe however, clearly is better for Zani. Or you can run all 3 Spectro Character in one team for Zani to stack her damage. It is big damage.

Their weapon is of course good, but without the character, then the weapon is quite frankly dull in comparison.

So if you want to invest into the Spectro Team, you will have to keep this in mind. That right now 3 of their characters are depended on each other. However, this team is best for the money because Rover and Phoebe are both very versatile. Rover is a special case because they fill many roles, and it is a free DPS under the Havoc Rover Path.

Damage Wise and newbie friendly. Carlotta is the best option. You just need to pair her with some 4-Star Support that buff Resonance Skill and Verina/Keeper/Baizi and you are good to go.

For weapon, you can just give her a Standard Pistol from the standard weapon pull or from the free reward at level 45.

Camellya is good also and can be paired with Sahua. Although she is a bit hard to control compare to Carlotta. Damage Wise she deals good damage, but personally I feel that she do not have the “burst” potential.

Also, the Devs have announced the two upcoming character which is Cathethyia and Lupa. Both feel like are going to be DPS also.

Originally posted by TalonStrike1993:

I used my convenes to get Zhezhi, and it (eventually) gave me Verina instead, presumably for my pity. WTF? It did the same thing last week when I tried for Yinlin, giving me Verina instead.

What's the point in selecting the character you want when it's just going to give you a different one?

Full pity is 160 Pulls, worse case possible. When you get a 5-Star that is not what you choose, the next 5-Star will be the one you choose. This will happen anywhere within the 160 Pulls.

Simply, you need to plan 160 Pull for the character that you want, NOT factoring in luck.

If you get lucky and for example get Verina at 30 pull for example. Then, anywhere in the next 80 Pulls, you will 100% get the Character you want. This mean you can also plan you based on your bad-luck.

Weapon for character don't use this System. When you get a gold weapon, is will be the one you select. Full pity is 80 for Weapon.

The system will not reset and will be carried over indefinitely until you have gotten what you want for a character in this patch or future patches. So I assume you got Yinlin+Verina from your bad luck with Zhezhi. Because there is no way you can get Verina twice within 160 pulls without the one you want.

If you are luckier, then you can get what you want in 30 or even 10 Pull. Although personally, I have only been lucky 2 times in the last 5 months.

Normal event will last for about a month. It is usually two patches for you to save up enough for 160 Pulls as F2P. If you are a Monthly Sub, it would give you enough to pull one character every patch, I believe. If you don't spend it on anything else.

Keep in mind, there is no way to estimate this correctly. Because RNG will always be factored in, I'm only using the worst possible outcome for this.

[Debikun]

Originally posted by TalonStrike1993:

I used my convenes to get Zhezhi, and it (eventually) gave me Verina instead, presumably for my pity. WTF? It did the same thing last week when I tried for Yinlin, giving me Verina instead.

What's the point in selecting the character you want when it's just going to give you a different one?

You can see those details in the banner info, if you get a 5* you have a 50:50 chance of it being the one on the banner, otherwise another random 5* from standard pool. Should you lose this 50:50 one time, then the next 5* is guaranteed to be the one from the banner. This counter carries over to the next limited banner ofc.

[TalonStrike1993]

Originally posted by Paper:

Full pity is 160 Pulls, worse case possible. When you get a 5-Star that is not what you choose, the next 5-Star will be the one you choose. This will happen anywhere within the 160 Pulls.

Simply, you need to plan 160 Pull for the character that you want, NOT factoring in luck.

If you get lucky and for example get Verina at 30 pull for example. Then, anywhere in the next 80 Pulls, you will 100% get the Character you want. This mean you can also plan you based on your bad-luck.

Weapon for character don't use this System. When you get a gold weapon, is will be the one you select. Full pity is 80 for Weapon.

The system will not reset and will be carried over indefinitely until you have gotten what you want for a character in this patch or future patches. So I assume you got Yinlin+Verina from your bad luck with Zhezhi. Because there is no way you can get Verina twice within 160 pulls without the one you want.

Based on the advice I got from Discord, I went for Yinlin initially, and when I tried pulling her, I got Verina (after claiming Verina as my free pull for starting the game). Now that I tried for Zhezhi (to go with Carlotta), I got Verina again.

What happens if I max out Verina? Is it possible to keep drawing her, even if I can't use her tokens anymore?

Otherwise, thanks for the advice and explanations.

[76561198975123562]

Originally posted by Paper:

Here is how I see is if you are aiming to be F2P.

Since you already have Verina you don't really to get ShoreKeeper early. Keeper mainly gives the same buff as Verina, Baizi can still carry you throughout the game especially if you have her duplicate, which you would eventually.

Shorekeeper won't be rerun for another 3 months at best. So no rush here.

Zani and Phoebe are right now a very strong team. And Phoebe herself can be play as both DPS and Support. This team however need to rely on eachother.

Phoebe "has" to be paired with Rover Spectro if she wants to play as DPS.

Zani "has" to be paired with Phoebe or Rover (F2P option) if she wants to deal damage. Phoebe however, clearly is better for Zani. Or you can run all 3 Spectro Character in one team for Zani to stack her damage. It is big damage.

Their weapon is of course good, but without the character, then the weapon is quite frankly dull in comparison.

So if you want to invest into the Spectro Team, you will have to keep this in mind. That right now 3 of their characters are depended on each other. However, this team is best for the money because Rover and Phoebe are both very versatile. Rover is a special case because they fill many roles, and it is a free DPS under the Havoc Rover Path.

Damage Wise and newbie friendly. Carlotta is the best option. You just need to pair her with some 4-Star Support that buff Resonance Skill and Verina/Keeper/Baizi and you are good to go.

For weapon, you can just give her a Standard Pistol from the standard weapon pull or from the free reward at level 45.

Camellya is good also and can be paired with Sahua. Although she is a bit hard to control compare to Carlotta. Damage Wise she deals good damage, but personally I feel that she do not have the “burst” potential.

Also, the Devs have announced the two upcoming character which is Cathethyia and Lupa. Both feel like are going to be DPS also.

Originally posted by TalonStrike1993:

I used my convenes to get Zhezhi, and it (eventually) gave me Verina instead, presumably for my pity. WTF? It did the same thing last week when I tried for Yinlin, giving me Verina instead.

What's the point in selecting the character you want when it's just going to give you a different one?

Full pity is 160 Pulls, worse case possible. When you get a 5-Star that is not what you choose, the next 5-Star will be the one you choose. This will happen anywhere within the 160 Pulls.

Simply, you need to plan 160 Pull for the character that you want, NOT factoring in luck.

If you get lucky and for example get Verina at 30 pull for example. Then, anywhere in the next 80 Pulls, you will 100% get the Character you want. This mean you can also plan you based on your bad-luck.

Weapon for character don't use this System. When you get a gold weapon, is will be the one you select. Full pity is 80 for Weapon.

The system will not reset and will be carried over indefinitely until you have gotten what you want for a character in this patch or future patches. So I assume you got Yinlin+Verina from your bad luck with Zhezhi. Because there is no way you can get Verina twice within 160 pulls without the one you want.

If you are luckier, then you can get what you want in 30 or even 10 Pull. Although personally, I have only been lucky 2 times in the last 5 months.

Normal event will last for about a month. It is usually two patches for you to save up enough for 160 Pulls as F2P. If you are a Monthly Sub, it would give you enough to pull one character every patch, I believe. If you don't spend it on anything else.

Keep in mind, there is no way to estimate this correctly. Because RNG will always be factored in, I'm only using the worst possible outcome for this.

thank you so much for all this explanation, this was most helpful, but can i ask about the reason for same element team comp? again, total newbie here and didnt knew that was a thing, would be so kind to provide an explanation on that too?

[Paper]

Originally posted by TalonStrike1993:

Based on the advice I got from Discord, I went for Yinlin initially, and when I tried pulling her, I got Verina (after claiming Verina as my free pull for starting the game). Now that I tried for Zhezhi (to go with Carlotta), I got Verina again.

What happens if I max out Verina? Is it possible to keep drawing her, even if I can't use her tokens anymore?

Otherwise, thanks for the advice and explanations.

Verina will always be counted as miss-rate at 80 which is your “first flip the coin” sort of thing. Your luck happen to land you on Verina. It could be. Calcharo, Encore, The Monk Lady or the Lion Dude instead.

Free-Pull does not count toward the Gold Pull.

If you maxed out Verina they turn into Coral which you trade at the shop for more free pulls. You also earn Coral every time you pull regardless.

The rule should be like this and applied to the "Limited Banner" which you pull Yinlin and Zani from. Limited Banner is anything that require the Gold Ball to use.

You tried to pull for Yinlin got Verina Instead -> Tried again and get Yinlin. The system reset.

Now you tried to pull Zhezhi again, bad luck strike -> You get Verina instead.

Basically, it is always like this. Bad Luck Verina ---> What you want ----> Reset.

If it doesn't follow this pattern. Report to Kuro in feedback immediately. This is the Devs its own rule set that they promised. You can see the history of what you get in the game's history log screen as proof also.

If you get Verina two time in a row without the character you wanted from the Gold Pull. That a big No No.

[Paper]

Originally posted by 76561198975123562:

thank you so much for all this explanation, this was most helpful, but can i ask about the reason for same element team comp? again, total newbie here and didnt knew that was a thing, would be so kind to provide an explanation on that too?

Sure, same element team is not a thing. It doesn't do anything.

It just so happen that the 3 Spectro Character work well with each other. Ideally you can place Baizi which is an Ice Element support into this team to replace Rover, and they will preform better. And funny enough, Verina and ShoreKeeper also fill this support role perfectly, and they are coincidentally Spectro character,

The element is only significant when you are fighting bosses. You don't want to use a DPS character that the Boss is resistant against. Support usually don't deal high damage, so that is not important for them.

Character give certain buff and attack damage increase that are unique to other character.

For example

Phoebe deal Spectro Damage, her damage mainly come from basic and heavy attack. Support usually gives flat % like 20% so Verina/Keeper will always buff ALL her damage by 20%. She needs Rover because her kit need the debuff stack that only Rover can stack effectively for her. Phoebe can self stack, but is slow and not ideal for hard enemy.

Camellya is Havoc, but Sahua is Ice. They are good because Camellya deal DMG through basic attack when she is spinning, which Sahua buff greatly. Add that extra 20% increase from your Verina flower lover.

Carlotta is Ice but work best with Zhezhi , Taoqi Havoc or the Chipmunk girl Electro because Carlotta rely on her R Ult skill buff (Resonance Skill) which those characters provide. And Verina and Keeper is Spectro support that just give flat % increase in damage output.

It just that some time, the character that work well with each other also share the same element.

[76561198975123562]

Originally posted by Paper:

Originally posted by 76561198975123562:

thank you so much for all this explanation, this was most helpful, but can i ask about the reason for same element team comp? again, total newbie here and didnt knew that was a thing, would be so kind to provide an explanation on that too?

Sure, same element team is not a thing. It doesn't do anything important.

It just so happen that the 3 Spectro Character work well with each other. Ideally you can place Baizi which is an Ice Element support into this team to replace Rover, and they will preform better.

The element is only significant when you are fighting bosses. You don't want to use a DPS character that the Boss is resistant against. Support deal no damage, so that is not important for them.

Character give certain buff and attack damage increase that are unique to other character.

For example

Phoebe deal Spectro Damage, her damage mainly come from basic and heavy attack. Support usually gives flat % like 20% so Verina/Keeper will always buff her damage by 20%. She needs Rover because her kit need the debuff stack that only Rover can stack effectively for her. Phoebe can self stack, but is slow and not ideal for hard enemy.

Camellya is Havoc, but Sahua is Ice. They are good because Camellya deal DMG through basic attack when she is spinning, which Sahua buff greatly.

Carlotta is Ice but work best with Taoqi Havoc or the Chipmunk girl Electro because Carlotta rely on E skill buff (Resonance Skill) which two of those character provide. And Verina and Keeper is Spectro support that just give flat % increase in damage output.

ah i see, no such thing then, i simply misunderstood you a bit apparently, and thank you for all the extra info's and explanations, this community sure is lucky to have people like you in it 🙂