Dear Genshin Impact fans.

[Spefix]

Geoff Keighley post of Cartethiya gameplay preview: 5.5 million views in 24 hours.
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Genshin Impact 5.6 trailer 2 weeks later: 1.2 million views.
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Current CN ratings of gacha games popularity and earns: https://i.imgur.com/U8QcfaJ.jpeg
WuWa takes the top by dropping one of the most controversial anniversary updates that left many unsatisfied and providing negative feedback towards it.

Question.
Why are Hoyofans trying to force another wave of censorship, cut the game trailers and previews view count (Source: https://i.imgur.com/XFYpQan.png) and compares Skirk's wooden animations with her Temu Jingliu design to Cartethiya?
Does this come out of envy or is this something you do as your free time activity because Genshin lacks actual content besides 3rd grade sped class level puzzles for 2 primogems?

This isn't a post where I try to be offensive towards Genshin Impact as a game, this is simply me wondering about the toxicity inside the Hoyo's fanbase.
As this might not be the most proper place for a post like this since it's a Wuthering Waves discussions tab, but I did notice multiple lurkers here promoting hate waves towards the game and making tons of comparisons.

[Paper]

I wanted to reply to this, so we can both avoid a thread like this in the future.

First, you shouldn't generalize the “troublemaker" as HoyoFans. They are just extremist and hater which exist in every fandom.

A decent chunk of WuWa player base are actually from Genshin. They switched game or played both. Shocking I know.

Originally posted by Spefix:

WuWa takes the top by dropping one of the most controversial anniversary updates that left many unsatisfied and providing negative feedback towards it.

That because it is an opinion from a group of player. That doesn't mean everyone who play WuWa share the same view or reaction. It still at the top simply because most player have no problem with it and still enjoy playing the game.

Every drama is like this. Most of the time they are just clickbait or rage post. It doesn't represent the entire community because everyone have their own different opinion regarding it.

For example, most always said China player are the source of Censorship. I guarantee you Chinese player enjoy fan service as much as you do. The Devs themselves are Chinese.

Or how can this be more controversial than Genshin Impact is anniversary of 3 pulls. Ask yourself this too, Hoyo is so bad at their job, yet two of their games are still top grossing..... Could it simply be that many who play the game do not care about the minor vocal community complaining?

It just boils down to. If you are not having fun. You won't be playing the game. Nothing else matter. Your experience matter the most, “not” what the random guy next to you say.

Originally posted by Spefix:

As this might not be the most proper place for a post like this since it's a Wuthering Waves discussions tab, but I did notice multiple lurkers here promoting hate waves towards the game and making tons of comparisons.

Like I said, there will always be haters. Your best action is to ignore them. You know talking to them would not change their mind, so why bother?

By creating a thread like this, we are just playing into their attention and spread hate debate just like them.

Originally posted by Spefix:

Why are Hoyofans trying to force another wave of censorship

Because those people are hater and extremist, not just Hoyofans.

There are people who agree or disagree with fan service, but no player ever supported censorship itself. Must less care enough to report game, they are not even playing for having too much “skin”.

The Dev have been reported in the past already. 3 times by now, which they always try their best to find a solution and make even the censored version better than the original. Could they stop people from reporting them, though? Sadly, they can not.

[MuYuri]

I play both so you can ♥♥♥♥ right off with your tribalism you are just as bad as those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Zef]

Both "fanbases" are just as worse as the other, simply because most players are either ex genshin impact players or play both.

I stick with genshin simply because i don't like the setting/ colour scheme of wuwa, but mechanically (gameplay) at least i can acknowledge that WUWA beats genshin hands down.

I actually hope that WUWA starts to beat down genshin more and more because that's the only way we'll see proper gameplay and technical improvements. Genshin is genshin though, people have invested too much time and money into it so it will never truly die.

At the end of the day it's just another chinese gacha game with pretty waifu's meant to bleed our wallets dry so it's all relative.

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Paper:

First, you shouldn't generalize the “troublemaker" as HoyoFans. They are just extremist and hater which exist in every fandom.

If you're speaking about the CN hoyoshills cults like:

• Yishiki Module
  
• Xianijiajun
  
• Tianhua SRSH_

and many more, I completely agree. Whenever they sense competition or that some game did something better, they will attempt to go extreme stuff that surprisingly to me, works (PEGI forcing +16 rating on Wuwa and forcing the developers to make censorship updates without any community notes), but, I am speaking about the the western community of Hoyo which is exactly why my discussion is made in English and is made here and not on bilibili.

Originally posted by Paper:

That because it is an opinion from a group of player. That doesn't mean everyone who play WuWa share the same view or reaction. It still at the top simply because most player have no problem with it and still enjoy playing the game.

The majority of the community were not satisfied with the rewards that Wuwa's anniversary provides and the amount of content that 2.3 update has following how much of everything we had in 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. The cube event turned out to be better than expected, but it's fairly short, knowing that we didn't have much to do with the anniversary besides rolling the dice on a daily basis.

Originally posted by Paper:

Or how can this be more controversial than Genshin Impact is anniversary of 3 pulls. Ask yourself this too, Hoyo is so bad at their job, yet two of their games are still top grossing..... Could it simply be that many who play the game do not care about the minor vocal community complaining?

Genshin Impact players are simply obsessed with the game and that obsession leads them towards bias opinions. For example if we speak of Honkai: Star Rail, the game is schemed like that - give major update to the players every 2 to 3 months that will be exhausted within the first week, knowing well that HSR is not an open world game that can be explored like Genshin and Wuwa and gamemodes like Simulated Universe are the only things that carry the playtime. Back to Genshin Impact, their gem rates (premium currency) are 1 to 3 compared to Wuwas. They have a 90 pity and they get only enough gems to pull an event character (considering you don't get lucky) every 2 and almost a half filler updates later. Pulling a weapon for a F2P player is out of the question. It's more like Hoyo did a wonderful job in to manipulating their playerbase in to turning the game in to their routine more than an actual game where you spend your time to have fun and relax in.

Originally posted by Paper:

By creating a thread like this, we are just playing into their attention and spread hate debate just like them.

By creating a thread like this, I'm hoping for actual answers from the other side of the fence.

Originally posted by MuYuri:

I play both so you can ♥♥♥♥ right off with your tribalism you are just as bad as those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Room temperature IQ response, but have a nice day.

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Zef:

Both "fanbases" are just as worse as the other, simply because most players are either ex genshin impact players or play both.

I stick with genshin simply because i don't like the setting/ colour scheme of wuwa, but mechanically (gameplay) at least i can acknowledge that WUWA beats genshin hands down.

I actually hope that WUWA starts to beat down genshin more and more because that's the only way we'll see proper gameplay and technical improvements. Genshin is genshin though, people have invested too much time and money into it so it will never truly die.

At the end of the day it's just another chinese gacha game with pretty waifu's meant to bleed our wallets dry so it's all relative.

The fact that Wuwa made Genshin step up because Hoyo finally feels like it has an actual competitor who is going toe to toe with them on ratings and earnings, is very true. I would agree and disagree with the statement that both fanbases are just worse as the other.
If we seek for the context of every drama and every unnecessary competition and comparison, the cause of it is usually Genshin impact's fanbase.
Like the good old saying, "you are what you eat" and by eating up 3rd grade puzzles made for special education kids in an over saturated grass world, genshin fanbase might've became just that.

[Paper]

Originally posted by Spefix:

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All I get from this is. You already have your own belief, so you don't need anyone here to validate it for you.

So I am going to see myself out now.

If you want “true” answer from Hoyo people, go to their dedicated social group. You go to Steam Wuthering Wave and you expect to find many Hoyofan here?

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Paper:

Originally posted by Spefix:

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All I get from this is. You already have your own belief, so you don't need anyone here to validate it for you.

So I am going to see myself out now.

If you want “true” answer from Hoyo people, go to their dedicated social group. You go to Steam Wuthering Wave and you expect to find many Hoyofan here?

I want someone to try and validate those people who spread missinformation about Wuthering Waves to the higher authorities who can shift the developers direction of art to one way or the other.

And speaking of this "true" answer from Hoyo people, I will quote myself to what I said in my first post

As this might not be the most proper place for a post like this since it's a Wuthering Waves discussions tab, but I did notice multiple lurkers here promoting hate waves towards the game and making tons of comparisons.

I don't target the entirety of Genshin community, I target those people who before April 28th, encouraged people with multiple threads, with multiple replies to negative review bomb the game, to play Genshin Impact instead of Wuthering Waves while also providing false and bias comparisons, encouraging to report the game to Steam so that it becomes tagged as an Adult-only. It even had a "Hentai" tag days before release. Those are the people I want that "true" answer from.

[Paper]

I don't target the entirety of Genshin community, I target those people who before April 28th, encouraged people with multiple threads, with multiple replies to negative review bomb the game, to play Genshin Impact instead of Wuthering Waves while also providing false and bias comparisons, encouraging to report the game to Steam so that it becomes tagged as an Adult-only. It even had a "Hentai" tag days before release. Those are the people I want that "true" answer from..

Good luck finding some, I guess.

The majority of the community were not satisfied with the rewards that Wuwa's anniversary provides and the amount of content that 2.3 update has following how much of everything we had in 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. The cube event turned out to be better than expected, but it's fairly short, knowing that we didn't have much to do with the anniversary besides rolling the dice on a daily basis.

Now that you mention it. I am satisfied with the reward. No problem there.

The only thing I would argue is that there is a lack of a new map. But considering Kuro is records, this is not shocking to me, many patches before didn't have it also. It just falls right on the anniversary. Right now it is already clear Kuro put their effort into the next New Zone with Lupa.

My friend however disagreed with me. They said the content was loaded with new banner and weapon, event, new Holograms. It has plenty of things for them to play out.

So again personal perspective. If you are talking about “rewards” only, the amount of reward matches 2.0 which all agree is a major big patch.

If you know about this. Then you already see proof that the JP and Korean community, even most of China player base, doesn't seem to care at all. With the JP player even going out of their way to argue with others. And I wonder who fueled this drama with freshly new created account to spam on all official website.

It takes quite a bit of effort for Wuthering Wave, a game with it niche player base, to reach top 1 Trending on big Social Platform. So when others say both community are similar, they weren't entirely wrong.

Even Honkai Star Rail which have the same amount of controversial with Global Passive, Story, quality etc. which some are valid concerns..... Manage to make 100 millions last month. Rumors should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Valkiris]

Try finding vids on yt made by Saintontas. He's a Wuwa(mostly) CC and made several videos, revealing who is behind all that sh*t being pushed on Kuro Games.
Short version - its a group of real freaking hoyo CN zealots, who probably may be willing to kill their parents if that somehow could cause damage to kuro games.

[Арбель]

Meanwhile Zhu Yuan in ZZZ still has her camel toe. PEGI 12+ btw. It's obvious who bribed PEGI to cause troubles given they even have their place in Chinese government

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Paper:

Now that you mention it. I am satisfied with the reward. No problem there.

The only thing I would argue is that there is a lack of a new map. But considering Kuro is records, this is not shocking to me, many patches before didn't have it also. It just falls right on the anniversary. Right now it is already clear Kuro put their effort into the next New Zone with Lupa.

My friend however disagreed with me. They said the content was loaded with new banner and weapon, event, new Holograms. It has plenty of things for them to play out.

So again personal perspective. If you are talking about “rewards” only, the amount of reward matches 2.0 which all agree is a major big patch.

Kuro games did a big mistake in 1.0 that caused this "the anniversary rewards are BAD" outbreak.
If you remember, the launch of the game was on the same level as Cyberpunk 2077. Unfinished animations, missing voice lines, unplayable on mobile, crashes every 10 minutes on PC, horrible optimization and performance. Kuro games were lightning fast polishing everything out but in the process, they compensated the players with: 2 free 5 star vouchers, a free 5 star weapon selector and over 100 free pulls (perma and event combined).
And with this anniversary patch, they suffered consequences. The community doesn't see the game as rewarding as it used to be but I'm less concerned about the rewards, I'm more concerned about the content that they gave us within this version and logically speaking, yes, kuro games is probably fully focused on the 2.4 content, but, it's also an anniversary of this game so you'd expect there to be something special. Whether it's your opinion, it's my opinion or it's your friends opinion, anyone can say whatever, but in reality if you compare 2.3 content to the past 3 to 4 updates, you will obviously see that this is the driest update contentwise that we had recently.

Originally posted by Paper:

It takes quite a bit of effort for Wuthering Wave, a game with it niche player base, to reach top 1 Trending on big Social Platform. So when others say both community are similar, they weren't entirely wrong.

Even Honkai Star Rail which have the same amount of controversial with Global Passive, Story, quality etc. which some are valid concerns..... Manage to make 100 millions last month. Rumors should be taken with a grain of salt.

I hate rumors and I like when things are based off of legitimate sources. So for example, Genshin's 5.6 is an update that in terms of content is much much much bigger than Wuwa's 2.3 update which is considerably a filler despite the fact of it being an anniversary update. Then we have all the controversies, people being unsatisfied with wuwas livestream, the surprise censorship update, 12 character banners (2 debut, 10 reruns) and naming it "W, this is so player friendly", questionable anniversary rewards, free 10 pulls to everyone 2 hours after Zani's banner ends and less communication with the community compared to how they used to speak with us back in the days AND DESPITE ALL THAT Wuthering Waves is currently sitting in 2 spot in terms of active players in the RPG genre only behind Baldur's Gate 3 and above Genshin Impact.
https://i.imgur.com/csNcYmr.jpeg

The thing is why I turned on this yapfest, because I am tired.
Whenever a Wuthering Waves player or a fan shares his opinion publicly on social media or even steam discussions of our own game, they get hate waves, negative comments, comparisons and more of it.
But, when Wuthering Waves player tries to defend himself and defend his own game that he loves so much, in response we get the "dOnT gEt DoWn To ThEiR lEvEl, LeT tHeM dO wHaTeVeR". Maybe if we stopped being hoyoshills punching bags, stood up and clapped back, mayyyyyybe that way we'd actually avoid censorships and fake reports and let the authorities and Kuro games know our voice?

Originally posted by Valkiris:

Try finding vids on yt made by Saintontas. He's a Wuwa(mostly) CC and made several videos, revealing who is behind all that sh*t being pushed on Kuro Games.
Short version - its a group of real freaking hoyo CN zealots, who probably may be willing to kill their parents if that somehow could cause damage to kuro games.

Yep, Im well aware of it. I'm more curious about the western side of things.

[Faiyez]

It's Hoyover

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Арбель:

Meanwhile Zhu Yuan in ZZZ still has her camel toe. PEGI 12+ btw. It's obvious who bribed PEGI to cause troubles given they even have their place in Chinese government

Hello, I remember I used to argue with you in one discussion that I've made right before Wuthering Waves steam release. I was mocking the people who were genuinely angry about the Cantarella and Freurdelys boss censorships, for which I now apologize, because once the truth was revealed that Kuro Games were forced to do so by PEGI after receiving around half a million of reports which were made purely by Hoyo cultists, it truly left a bad aftertaste in my mouth so for that, I truly apologize about it.

Speaking of ZZZ, I said the same thing in one of the discussions back in the days that if you censor games like ZZZ and Nikke and take out their gooner factors, those games will lose 90% of their popularity and I still stand by that.

[Paper]

Originally posted by Spefix:

you'd expect there to be something special

First, I am in your side here. I do not like toxic drama spam fest, that why I advise you to not make a thread like this, it just makes you angry and frustrated instead.

It is not that Kuro didn't do anything. It that simply they didn't meet expectation, or maybe they never have any plans to make this big. Their plan was to forcus on 2.4 and other patches.

You could say their planning suck. But Kuro have decided to follow that plan so we get 2.4 and 2.5 as big patch instead.

Tbh only in gacha genre does this Anniversary thing exist, if you ever played other games, they don't do anniversary at all. They might write a post or give some minor cosmetics and that would be all.

Reality and legitimate sources are also subjective. It just simply agree or disagree. You see reality one way, but others see it differently. Many have claim this patch is the same as the 2.1 Fishing Patch in terms of gameplay. 2.1 is only above because it got a new map. And that just my opinion, I don't see any major direction change from the Devs.

Before, there were more reward? Can't feel it, really, if you play longer you would gain more stuff. Beside those are not reward but apology for the game is poor performances in the early day. Which many quit back then, only at 2.0 did many old players and new start to join the game again. 1.0 content was also not the best in Kuro history.

Originally posted by Spefix:

But, when Wuthering Waves player tries to defend himself and defend his own game that he loves so much, in response we get the "dOnT gEt DoWn To ThEiR lEvEl, LeT tHeM dO wHaTeVeR". Maybe if we stopped being hoyoshills punching bags, stood up and clapped back, mayyyyyybe that way we'd actually avoid censorships and fake reports and let the authorities and Kuro games know our voice?

You confused ignoring hater as the same as doing nothing. It takes more effort to ignore people than it is to reply.

It takes more effort to ignore troll bait and rage post than it is to engage with them.

You are also seeing this wrong. We don't become the very thing we hate, when we do that. We are no different from them.

Right now, there have not been a single comment here from any of those so-called hater you mention.

Those haters would “not” listen to you, they will keep doing whatever they want. No matter what you do. Simply because they love to trash the game.

Authority act on Law, those report work because it is a violation. Kuro have to fix it and not sue back because they know they were in the wrong. It is call “snitching”.

If those report were fake. Kuro would have sued their asses and not waste resources to fix texture in game. Why do you think when logging in, Kuro demand that you are above 15 year old to play their game?

[Spefix]

Originally posted by Paper:

2.2 is only above because it got a new map. And that just my opinion.

2.2 also had the best story since Shorekeeper arc and everyone were happy to see how much Kuro's story writing has improved because we were all grateful in 1.0 for the Skip button implementation because the story used to be an abysmal dogsh**.

Originally posted by Paper:

You confused ignoring hater as the same as doing nothing. It takes more effort to ignore people than it is to reply.

It takes more effort to ignore troll bait and rage post than it is to engage with them.

You are also seeing this wrong. We don't become the very thing we hate, when we do that. We are no different from them.

Right now, there have not been a single comment here from any of those so-called hater you mention. So is this dissucsion tab a way for you to express anger.

If you think emtremist hater would simply listen to you and stop doing whatever they want because you "clap" back I don't know what to tell you.

I have ignored haters for a very very very long time. Unlike you, who has started playing this game since 2.0 and have only been here for few months, my journey with Wuthering Waves have started before it's release (1.0), I was pre-registered, did the little echo minigames daily on their website and I was very engaged in to what's this game about to be.

I've also played Genshin Impact back in the days, during 2020 and 2021 and I directly migrated from Honkai: Star Rail in to Wuthering Waves.
The thing is, the players of Kuro Games have been silent, tolerant and emotionless towards rage bait, towards reports, towards comparisons for too long, up to the point where those rage baits, those reports and those comparisons started changing the game that we play. From one perspective you can say that this discussion thread is a way for me to express the anger that is pilled up within me throughout all those months that I had to witness the insufferable bullsh** that Hoyoshills have been pilling up upon my game and shifting the direction of art.
Am I really the one who is seeing things wrong when the direct negativity that is coming from the people who don't even play this game manages to make adjustments to the game and I'm supposed to sit in a hush mode and do my dailies all chill with lo-fi beat in my ears? Am I really not different from them when I'm yet to submit a hateful comparison that is visible to the public eye and not only to the 20 people in the steam discussions?