Great game! .. Confused by the ending (Spoilers)

[BenieTheDragon]

I swore to god that this had to be a pre-sequel, between Wolfenstein 3D and Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Why?
1. Helga's still alive.
2. B.J. is unphased of going to the castle.

But what really confused me that proved me wrong that this is actually a pre-sequel between RTCW and The New Order, is Helga. I can vagely remember her dying by something she brings to life that turns into a boss fight. Yet she dies AGAIN in this game.

How can she die twice? .. How? Was she resurrected in RTCW? From what I can remember, her body was ripped a new one. Yet she bled out in this one, saying she lost control.

Someone, please explain. Maybe my history of Wolfenstein over the years is a bit rusty.

[Damien Azreal]

Different Helga.
Helga von Bulow is in Return to Castle Wolfenstein, being killed by the creature she mistakingly awakens in the crypt when trying to take the dagger.

In The Old Blood, there's Helga Von Schabbs. Two completely different characters.

And, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny are their own time line.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein rebooted the series. Starting it's own timeline, it starts off as if the events of Wolf3D never happened.
Wolfenstein 2009 is a direct sequel to RtCW, following BJ's events and bringing back Deathshead.

The New Order is set to be a sequel to Wolf 2009 as it comments on events that happen to Carolina and BJ during the game. And BJ comments on the XLabs from RtCW at one point.

Though, The Old Blood does make a few odd decisions that affect the continuity.
As the location of the caslte Wolfenstein itself has moved.
It also changes events with certain characters such as Agent One, who we see dead on a lab table in the opening of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Though, it is possible the Agent One shown in Old Blood is a new agent assigned to that role.

In any case, The Old Blood is a part of the rebooted timeline, though it takes some liberties with the canon to setup it's story and possibly "retell" certain events of the RtCW story.

[BenieTheDragon]

Ok. So there's two Helgas. Yet they both worked for the SS Paranormal Division. That's what confused me.

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Benie:

Ok. So there's two Helgas. Yet they both worked for the SS Paranormal Division. That's what confused me.

No... just one. Old Blood is a retelling of RtCW's chapters 1 and 2. At the same time at the very least chapter 5 of RtCW in Norway happened.

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av DogMeat:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Benie:

Ok. So there's two Helgas. Yet they both worked for the SS Paranormal Division. That's what confused me.

No... just one. Old Blood is a retelling of RtCW's chapters 1 and 2. At the same time at the very least chapter 5 of RtCW in Norway happened.

There are two Helgas. The Helga from Return to Castle Wolfenstein is von Bulow, who is killed after finding the Dagger of Warding in 1943.

The Helga in The Old Blood is Helga von Schabbs, she dies after trying to control that monster in 1946

Helga is just a popular German name, like Franz and Fritz.

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

There are two Helgas. The Helga from Return to Castle Wolfenstein is von Bulow, who is killed after finding the Dagger of Warding in 1943.

The Helga in The Old Blood is Helga von Schabbs, she dies after trying to control that monster in 1946

Helga is just a popular German name, like Franz and Fritz.

I realize they have two names but come on... Helga von for both characters... both characters are the head of the SS Paranormal division and are obsessed with uncovering something around Castle Wolfenstein... its a reboot.

If thats not convincing enough...
-Both RtCW and Old Blood take place on the same day 3 years apart.
-The Kessler you meet in Old Blood has never seen BJ before. Is this another character who just so happens to have the same name and occupation as a previous version? Both being Kreisau Circle members.
-Another British Agent One named Wesley despite the 1943 version being tortured to death. Sure, "Agent One" could be a codename pased on from agent to agent... but another British guy named Wesley?
-Castle Wolfenstein was in the Northern Harz Mountains of Germany in RtCW while Castle Wolfenstein is in the Alps in Old Blood. Did they move it or did there just happen to be two Castle Wolfensteins in Germany... with occult ruins nearby.

Seriously... Old Blood is a reboot. The amount of explaining and coincidence to have RtCW and Old Blood as part of the same storyline is ridiculous and extreme. With that said there is nothing preventing chapters 3 through 5 of RtCW being part of the Old Blood timeline. Chapter 5 (Norway X-Labs) in particular is almost guaranteed to be part of the Old Blood timeline as its specifically referenced once in both New Order and Old Blood. In New Order its even referenced for the correct year... 1943.

[ShaDDy Milk Dealer]

Well, I have played The New Order, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and when I saw game play of Old Blood, I just had to look up wtf is going on. Like Helga (dies twice), Agent One (is this before they got captured? but wait BJ escapes, he mentions the XLabs), Kessler (different hair color, or is it just me?), some buildings (mainly the cafe'), and I just needed to know if it was like a Legend of Zelda thing were the there is two different time lines (kind of what they did in The New Order)

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Gordon the Red:

Well, I have played The New Order, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and when I saw game play of Old Blood, I just had to look up wtf is going on. Like Helga (dies twice), Agent One (is this before they got captured? but wait BJ escapes, he mentions the XLabs), Kessler (different hair color, or is it just me?), some buildings (mainly the cafe'), and I just needed to know if it was like a Legend of Zelda thing were the there is two different time lines (kind of what they did in The New Order)

It's a different person

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

It's a different person

Disagree. The devs themselves said the series was a reboot and a reboot doesn't necessarily have to be a complete 'do over' of a series. A reboot can also include a story that makes reference to previous events in a series' entries but completely ignore or contradict (the case in Old Blood) certain events. That's why the newer Wolfensteins can make reference to events in RtCW and Wolfenstein 2009 in one moment, but then completely contradict events in RtCW in the next.

If you consider RtCW to completely be a part of the New Order/Old Blood storyline then you are ok with BJ basically redoing the near exact same mission with new characters with same names filling the same roles as an event exactly 3 years ago in a different castle on the other side of Germany also called Wolfenstein. That to me is stranger and harder to believe than all of the occult, supernatural and high tech elements of the series put together.

So, unless the devs further confuse the matter or clarify things my impression is that RtCW chapters 3-5 are part of the newer Wolfenstein storyline and all the events that directly involved the occult/resurrection of Heinrich didn't happen (Chapters 1-2 & 6-7).

It REALLY doesn't matter... it's just my nerdy fanboy take away from the series. If you really want Old Blood to basically be a 'groundhog day' of RtCW... go ahead... but I see it as a remake/reimagining of chapters 1-2.

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av DogMeat:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

It's a different person

Disagree. The devs themselves said the series was a reboot and a reboot doesn't necessarily have to be a complete 'do over' of a series. A reboot can also include a story that makes reference to previous events in a series' entries but completely ignore or contradict (the case in Old Blood) certain events. That's why the newer Wolfensteins can make reference to events in RtCW and Wolfenstein 2009 in one moment, but then completely contradict events in RtCW in the next.

If you consider RtCW to completely be a part of the New Order/Old Blood storyline then you are ok with BJ basically redoing the near exact same mission with new characters with same names filling the same roles as an event exactly 3 years ago in a different castle on the other side of Germany also called Wolfenstein. That to me is stranger and harder to believe than all of the occult, supernatural and high tech elements of the series put together.

So, unless the devs further confuse the matter or clarify things my impression is that RtCW chapters 3-5 are part of the newer Wolfenstein storyline and all the events that directly involved the occult/resurrection of Heinrich didn't happen (Chapters 1-2 & 6-7).

It REALLY doesn't matter... it's just my nerdy fanboy take away from the series. If you really want Old Blood to basically be a 'groundhog day' of RtCW... go ahead... but I see it as a remake/reimagining of chapters 1-2.

Sorry but the events of RTCW take place earlier in the decade, 1943 I think. TOB takes place in 1946 and the characters are quite a bit different. It is more or less one continuous storyline, remember in TNO when BJ recalls swimming in the cesspool in Deathhead's Xlabs (from RTCW) and Caroline recalls her injury from Wolfenstein 2009.

It's not a perfect storyline but it's safer to say it's continuous than to say it's a reboot.

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

Sorry but the events of RTCW take place earlier in the decade, 1943 I think.

I pointed this out myself. Not only does RtCW take place in 1943 while Old Blood takes place in 1946 but they take place on the SAME day in March. Yet another 'coincidence' that points to reboot.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

TOB takes place in 1946 and the characters are quite a bit different.

They may be a 'bit' different, but they fill the exact same role as their previous character's namesakes. That's because it is a retelling of the events... not some coincidence.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

It is more or less one continuous storyline, remember in TNO when BJ recalls swimming in the cesspool in Deathhead's Xlabs (from RTCW) and Caroline recalls her injury from Wolfenstein 2009.

I said it before, but reboots can do exactly this. They can make reference to previous events in a series while disregarding events or overwriting them with new events... which is EXACTLY what Old Blood does.

Further, the Wolfenstein series is FULL of remakes, restarts and reboots! Wolfenstein 3D was a version of events in the 80s Wolfenstein series. The first game, Castle Wolfenstein involved escaping Wolfenstein, as you do in the first episode of 3D while Beyond Castle Wolfenstein involved killing Hitler as you did in the third episode. Beyond was based more on a real life assassination attempt. Made a recent movie about it with Tom Cruz.

Then you can get into Wolfenstein 3D itself which has THREE versions of the story. The original DOS version, the MAC version which re-writes the story having events happen in different orders and in different locations. For example BJ escapes from a different castle at the start and kills Hitler in Wolfenstein itself for the finale. THEN you have the SNES version which has a completely censored and obviously non-canon telling of the story. No ♥♥♥♥♥ or Hitler (Staatmeister in SNES) due to censorship.

After Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny RtCW came along and again was developed to be a retelling/restart of Wolfenstein, with chapters based on Wolfenstein 3D chapters. Deathshead himself was intended to be a reboot of Dr. Schabbs from the second episode of 3D.

Then you have Wolfenstein RPG which combines numerous characters and events from the different series entries to again tell it's own version of the story... bringing back and again killing Schabbs and Marianna from RtCW. It also retells sections of RtCW and Spear of Destiny.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

It's not a perfect storyline but it's safer to say it's continuous than to say it's a reboot.

That's my point though... it isn't safer at all... in fact saying the series is part of the same timeline is utterly ridiculous. The series is reboot after retelling after restart.

Either that or BJ has been captured and escaped from Wolfenstein no less than 5 times. The castle apparently also teleports around Germany or they have multiple Castle Wolfensteins.

Again, this is all unimportant and how YOU interpret the series is fine. As a big fan of the series I find it impossible to organize the events of the series into one continuous plotline without ignoring impossible coincidences. That combined with the devs themselves saying reboot leads me to believe PARTS of RtCW are canon and others are not (the Wolfenstein sections) and unless the devs say otherwise or you provide some actual evidence or reasoning for how BJ could have gone through the exact same series of events exactly three years prior I'll consider Old Blood to be a reboot of RtCW chapters 1-2.

Damn I'm such a nerd.

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av DogMeat:

Damn I'm such a nerd.

Not something you want to remain.

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

Not something you want to remain.

You realize you are arguing game timelines online right? I think we both fall under that category to an extent.

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av DogMeat:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

Not something you want to remain.

You realize you are arguing game timelines online right? I think we both fall under that category to an extent.

I don't type walls of text on video games. It's not worth that much of my time. It's fun, yes, but not a big priority; there are real world things to devote essays to.

[DogMeat]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

I don't type walls of text on video games. It's not worth that much of my time. It's fun, yes, but not a big priority; there are real world things to devote essays to.

I love the series and I enjoy talking about it. I seriously typed that wall of text with no malice... I typed it because I've loved the series for years and I pay attention to the backstory... this is like... the only chance I get to chat about knowing this junk. Simply wanted to point out why I disagree with your view on the storyline.

Do you have anything to add or do you only have personal attacks...?

[Smokedice]

Ursprungligen skrivet av DogMeat:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rawfire:

I don't type walls of text on video games. It's not worth that much of my time. It's fun, yes, but not a big priority; there are real world things to devote essays to.

I love the series and I enjoy talking about it. I seriously typed that wall of text with no malice... I typed it because I've loved the series for years and I pay attention to the backstory... this is like... the only chance I get to chat about knowing this junk. Simply wanted to point out why I disagree with your view on the storyline.

Do you have anything to add or do you only have personal attacks...?

Don't take them as attacks, take them as helpful advice.