so here's my wolfenstein timeline *SPOILERS*

[TOKE SMOKEM]

spear of destiny->nocturnal missions -> wolf 3d -> rtcw -> wolf 2009 -> tob -> tno

reasons:

1. the old occult lady died in rtcw but bj mentions being in the x-labs in the old blood so this must be another lady
2. wolfenstein 2009 ended just as it started, with bj being about the same powers as he was before, and many of the characters for the new order including the wheelchair lady came from it, even though the character looks different
3. wolfenstein 3d had the end of hitler, so the next villian in the series, deathshead, replaced him
4. the technology drastically improved in wolf 2009 so tob had to be after that, even though the occult dimension "the veil"'s link to our world was destroyed in the process

thoughts?

In terms of greatness, I rank 1. rtcw and 2. tno*
In terms of awesomeness I rank 1. wolf 2009 and 2. tob and 3. wolf 3d*

*by greatness I mean iconic and original it is
*by awesomeness I mean how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fun it is

For me, my top 5 games of all time are:
1. doom
2. f.e.a.r.
3. The New Order/The Old Blood
4. Borderlands 2/TPS
5. Bulletstorm/wolf 2009

I enjoyed return to castle wolfenstein but it wasn't on my top 5 because it didn't feel as tied together as the new order and it does have its flaws.

[TOKE SMOKEM]

also, the reason I think blazkowitz keeps going back to wolfenstein is because he knows every nook and cranny of the place and he has the most experience in the combat required to survive in it.

[Thatj0hnS]

As far as I know, catsle wolfenstein from RTCW is located in different part of Germany. It also seems like events connected to castle or crypts from RTCW are not canon, since Agent One DIED in RTCW.
My theory is, that from Forest Mission to X-labs it's canon.

[DogMeat]

Messaggio originale di JohnS ✈:

As far as I know, catsle wolfenstein from RTCW is located in different part of Germany. It also seems like events connected to castle or crypts from RTCW are not canon, since Agent One DIED in RTCW.
My theory is, that from Forest Mission to X-labs it's canon.

This. Its established in New Order/Old Blood in a comment from BJ that he indeed visited the X-Labs in Norway (RtCW Chapter 5) in 1943. Since chapters 3 to 5 of RtCW directly involved Deathshead and his work with Ubersoldiers theres no reason those chapters didn't happen.

However, theres no way Chapters 1-2 (and probably not 6-7) happened in the new game's timeline. Old Blood happens 3 years to the day later. Castle Wolfenstein is in a different part of Germany. Kessler is back and has never met BJ before in his life. Agent One is suddenly alive again after being tortured to death. SS Paranormal Division leader Helga von Bulow/Schabbs has her name back and her life too. Not to mention the entire basic plot of Old Blood is more or less the same as Chapters 1-2 of RtCW.

Wolfenstein's timeline has always been an absolute mess and Old Blood didn't help things. I personally see it this way...

The 80s originals
-Castle Wolfenstein
-Beyond Castle Wolfenstein (Based on the 7-20-44 attempt to kill Hitler with a bomb)

The id Software 90s games... OP is completely right on their order.
-Spear of Destiny. It was always said to be a sequel.
-Nocturnal Missions. Their ending text leads right into Wolfenstein 3D.
-Wolfenstein 3D. Wolfenstein 3D not only marked id Software aquiring the rights to the Wolfenstein license but they also retold the events of the 80s games. The first episode being the escape from Wolfenstein (Castle Wolfenstein) and the third being the killing of Hitler (Beyond Castle Wolfenstein). The war ends, BJ marries an actress and is the Grandfather of Billy Blaze of Commander Keen.

The modern games...
-Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Its actually intended as a reboot of Wolfenstein 3D. Many missions are based on episodes of Wolf 3D like escaping from Wolfenstein and dealing with a chemical rocket (nocturnal missions). Deathshead himself was intended to be a rebooted version of Dr. Schabbs the second episode boss of Wolf 3D who created the mutants.
-Wolfenstein 2009. A direct sequel to RtCW. Where Wolf 2009 introduced some extreme confusion was with a series of graphic novels (videos really but thats what they called them) retelling previous entries of the series... in an odd order that made no sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51aKxu82gQ

The reboot of the reboot of the reboot
-New Order. Follows 2009 and I assumed that included RtCW however...
-Old Blood now reboots chunks of RtCW.

Heh... then theres even Wolfenstein RPG which is a retelling of RtCW and Spear of Destiny combined.

Like I said its a flippin' mess and theres no way all of the games can be mashed together and make any sort of timeline sense. Even Wolfenstein 3D had multiple versions and ports which retold the game in different orders and places.

[TOKE SMOKEM]

I always thought that the old blood was a prequel to rtcw but I guess that was wrong... well huh.

[TOKE SMOKEM]

actually helga von shabbs is not the same lady from rtcw
it's a completely different lady
so yeah, its all the same timeline

[DogMeat]

Messaggio originale di Randomguy7:

actually helga von shabbs is not the same lady from rtcw
it's a completely different lady
so yeah, its all the same timeline

And Its a different Kessler of the Kreisaus Circle and a different Agent One also named Wesley in a different Castle Wolfenstein near a different Wulfsburg with a different set of occult ruins.

Its also ****ing stupid if they legit intend this to be part of the same timeline. MachineGames have already stated that New Order/Blood is a reboot and until they state otherwise chapters 1-2 of RtCW are not part of the New Order/Blood timeline... at least as far as I'm concerned.

[Old Skool Raver]

Didn't they say from RTCW09 onwards is a reboot and should be considered as separate from previous games in the series?

[DogMeat]

Messaggio originale di Smokin' Scream:

Didn't they say from RTCW09 onwards is a reboot and should be considered as separate from previous games in the series?

I don't remember the exact wording but that New Order was a reboot. At the time I figured they didn't know what the word reboot meant considering they had returning characters and at least one direct reference to RtCW Chapter 5 (which people keep citing as an example that ALL of RtCW is canon). Now with Old Blood out I've changed my mind and I've realized they really did know what the word reboot meant.

I'm a huge Wolfenstein fan, as I'm sure most people can tell, but even my rampant fanboy love of this series can't make RtCW being part of this timeline make sense.

Another argument is because these 'returning' characters have minor changes to them that means they're entirely different. I guess that means because BJ now has a countryboy accent and looks different that he is actually a different BJ. I guess Deathshead is a completely new Deathshead too because he has a different voice actor and looks a bit different.

[Old Skool Raver]

I've gotta be honest, the older games were OK but I was never a huge fan however TOB and especially TNO are both magnificent games, really superb.

[DogMeat]

Messaggio originale di Smokin' Scream:

I've gotta be honest, the older games were OK but I was never a huge fan however TOB and especially TNO are both magnificent games, really superb.

I have a feeling these games are going to draw in a whole new group of fans. They've done a really good job with the gunplay.

[King Yuri]

nah hitler is not part of the timeline

[TOKE SMOKEM]

Here's the thing though...
the reason I think that blazkowitz didn't age in the new order in the asylum HAS to be because of episode 2 in wolfenstein 3d with the mutants, or because he rescued the spear of destiny. (it could be hidden away in his house for all we know)

So there has to be some stupid connection to the timeline they made although its really just a reboot.