How the hell do you counter jumpers?

[炎 Toby]

I legitimately can't stand it when you're both in a chakra dash chain and the other one manages to dodge all of your dashes by just jumping. What's the best way to deal with this? Jump as well?

[Lilyvelle]

Jump, also sometimes after subbing it's best to block not chakra dash aswell. You have to make an opening for yourself. This game is a lot of mind games, if the guy is jumping don't play into his game, block after subbing and see what they do.

A lot of people panic and get into this chakra dash tug of war which then gets them punished. You don't have to chakra dash again after subbing. =p

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by ☮ Shirou Emiya:

I legitimately can't stand it when you're both in a chakra dash chain and the other one manages to dodge all of your dashes by just jumping. What's the best way to deal with this? Jump as well?

YES THIS IS ANNOYING AS ♥♥♥♥
Or the ones that keep spamming different characters and you're like wtf is happening
Anyway they will just say " noob learn how to play" because they're in the agespan of 11-16 the vast majority

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by Lily:

Jump, also sometimes after subbing it's best to block not chakra dash aswell. You have to make an opening for yourself. This game is a lot of mind games, if the guy is jumping don't play into his game, block after subbing and see what they do.

If you block after subbing they will just keep hitting you and throw supports at you and when you sub to get out of that its the same story

[Insania]

They are kids who try hard and not enjoy the fight at all

[Lilyvelle]

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

Originally posted by Lily:

Jump, also sometimes after subbing it's best to block not chakra dash aswell. You have to make an opening for yourself. This game is a lot of mind games, if the guy is jumping don't play into his game, block after subbing and see what they do.

If you block after subbing they will just keep hitting you and throw supports at you and when you sub to get out of that its the same story

That's where critical thinking on the fly comes in. This is what I do in that situation, I wait out their combo, Ninja move back/or chakra dash. You're not going to get guard broken in one combo plus two supports. A lot of it comes from experience. I know it may seem impossible now, but trust me once you get the hang of it your play will improve substantially.

[Dunia]

Just throw a paper bomb.

Jump is mechanically the best evade.

[The_Dark_Wall]

Blocking is best. If they chakra dash into you, they're at a disadvantage on block meaning you can punish. This is of course not true if you have a short range character however, like guy. That is one thing they could improve is make blocked chakra dashes leave you closer so all characters can punish it. That being said, jumping isn't the end of the world. Hell, if you start your chakra dash while they're in the air you'll follow them up anyways.

Simple advise is stop being frantic and needing to be on offense constantly.

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by Insania:

They are kids who try hard and not enjoy the fight at all

What bothers me is that the tournament that I'll be going to will probably be full of these little ♥♥♥♥♥.
They should remove the double jump and stagger when someone chakra dashes and you jump or make the chakra dash follow jumps

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by christhewall:

Blocking is best. If they chakra dash into you, they're at a disadvantage on block meaning you can punish. This is of course not true if you have a short range character however, like guy. That is one thing they could improve is make blocked chakra dashes leave you closer so all characters can punish it. That being said, jumping isn't the end of the world. Hell, if you start your chakra dash while they're in the air you'll follow them up anyways.

Simple advise is stop being frantic and needing to be on offense constantly.

this is a FIGHTING GAME so we're supposed to FIGHT, not hide behind guards half the time. People guarding chakra dashes is the reason I spam grab

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by Lily:

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

If you block after subbing they will just keep hitting you and throw supports at you and when you sub to get out of that its the same story

That's where critical thinking on the fly comes in. This is what I do in that situation, I wait out their combo, Ninja move back/or chakra dash. You're not going to get guard broken in one combo plus two supports. A lot of it comes from experience. I know it may seem impossible now, but trust me once you get the hang of it your play will improve substantially.

I know this ♥♥♥♥, if you chakra back dash they will follow you, if you chakra dash they will either block or jump or counter...

[The_Dark_Wall]

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

Originally posted by christhewall:

Blocking is best. If they chakra dash into you, they're at a disadvantage on block meaning you can punish. This is of course not true if you have a short range character however, like guy. That is one thing they could improve is make blocked chakra dashes leave you closer so all characters can punish it. That being said, jumping isn't the end of the world. Hell, if you start your chakra dash while they're in the air you'll follow them up anyways.

Simple advise is stop being frantic and needing to be on offense constantly.

this is a FIGHTING GAME so we're supposed to FIGHT, not hide behind guards half the time. People guarding chakra dashes is the reason I spam grab

You sound like somebody who doesn't know about real fighting games, otherwise you'd be learning to counter this rather than insisting you should always be successful without having to think about your situation. Dodging is a basic mechanic of fighters. Also worth noting this may be a fighting game, but it's an extremely basic one.

This game does have some broken stuff in it, but this is far from one of those things.


EDIT: That came off sounding a bit mean in retrospect. But you really shouldn't narrow down your means of approach to " It's a fighter so I'm going to do nothing but attack ". Allot of the best fighters are defense oriented, a trait which you'll see plenty of in boxing for instance. If you want to be an offense type fighter thats fine, I'm often one myself, but think of every attack as a decision as to what you think they're going to do, not just blind aggression and pressure.

[NigelTheDude]

Originally posted by christhewall:

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

this is a FIGHTING GAME so we're supposed to FIGHT, not hide behind guards half the time. People guarding chakra dashes is the reason I spam grab

You sound like somebody who doesn't know about real fighting games, otherwise you'd be learning to counter this rather than insisting you should always be successful without having to think about your situation. Dodging is a basic mechanic of fighters. Also worth noting this may be a fighting game, but it's an extremely basic one.

This game does have some broken stuff in it, but this is far from one of those things.

Dodging is one thing, everyone dodges, hiding behind your guard and bunny jumping around 90% of the match while spamming tilt jutsu and supports is another

[The_Dark_Wall]

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

Originally posted by christhewall:

You sound like somebody who doesn't know about real fighting games, otherwise you'd be learning to counter this rather than insisting you should always be successful without having to think about your situation. Dodging is a basic mechanic of fighters. Also worth noting this may be a fighting game, but it's an extremely basic one.

This game does have some broken stuff in it, but this is far from one of those things.

Dodging is one thing, everyone dodges, hiding behind your guard and bunny jumping around 90% of the match while spamming tilt jutsu and supports is another

Thats just the mark of a bad player......please tell me these tactics don't beat you.

Also made an edit to the previous post, didn't want to come off TOO dickish

[Lilyvelle]

Originally posted by HaiHaiDesunee:

Originally posted by Lily:

That's where critical thinking on the fly comes in. This is what I do in that situation, I wait out their combo, Ninja move back/or chakra dash. You're not going to get guard broken in one combo plus two supports. A lot of it comes from experience. I know it may seem impossible now, but trust me once you get the hang of it your play will improve substantially.

I know this ♥♥♥♥, if you chakra back dash they will follow you, if you chakra dash they will either block or jump or counter...

What's to say you can't put them in the same situation? Some times it's best to sit back and observe your opponents movements and react accordingly. Like I said, it all comes with experience, is it frustrating? Yes. But you learn the more you play and you'll get better.

[Dokutah / Matri]

I guess life is hard when you have a block of salt for a brain.