60 fps slow-mo

[Yotogaki Bavajheb]

Does anyone else have the issue where turning on 60fps makes the game act like everything is in slow motion? The menus are fine, but once I go into a fight or story mode or whatever, it's like everything runs at half speed. Anybody know of a fix?

[Hayatemaru]

Let this thread die it's literally stupid, it's just people who can't run the game at 60fps whining because they either don't have the specs, their graphics settings are defaulting to their CPU, or they're using some app to control framerates

It's not that deep, this game literally runs on numerous systems just fine. It's not even that worth it of a game

[The4Ges]

Or mabye the game has poor optimisation, because other way better looking games run smoother but yeah its because people apperenty lock the game to like 20 FPS

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Or mabye the game has poor optimisation, because other way better looking games run smoother but yeah its because people apperenty lock the game to like 20 FPS

"Game has poor optimization" bro it literally runs on a dual core 4th gen i7 U-model with no GPU. Wdym "poor optimization".

Back when this game first released it required a quad-core i7 desktop model and a GPU with 2GB VRAM to run 720p 30fps, people were out here claiming they had GTX 1080ti cards and "couldn't run the game". Come to find out they lying, when people actually tried to help and got them to post logs, they found those same people were running garbage machines.

So yes, it IS something with your computer. Whether it be your PC's graphics driver defaulting to CPU, your PC having an app that locks framerates, or downright you just have a garbage PC. End of story.

Edit: You're gonna tell me these spec requirements are "unoptimized" for a 2016 game with 3D Graphics?????
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows (64bit) 7 or higher up to date
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo, 3.0GHz - AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ 3.2GHz
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Graphics: 1024 MB video card
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 40 GB available space

C'mon man, the game literally runs 60fps on my garbage tier laptop with no GPU and low end CPU from 2016, just below 720p 60fps. Don't do yourself like this, you're literally making yourself out to be a clown the more you speak

[The4Ges]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Or mabye the game has poor optimisation, because other way better looking games run smoother but yeah its because people apperenty lock the game to like 20 FPS

"Game has poor optimization" bro it literally runs on a dual core 4th gen i7 U-model with no GPU. Wdym "poor optimization".

Back when this game first released it required a quad-core i7 desktop model and a GPU with 2GB VRAM to run 720p 30fps, people were out here claiming they had GTX 1080ti cards and "couldn't run the game". Come to find out they lying, when people actually tried to help and got them to post logs, they found those same people were running garbage machines.

So yes, it IS something with your computer. Whether it be your PC's graphics driver defaulting to CPU, your PC having an app that locks framerates, or downright you just have a garbage PC. End of story.

Edit: You're gonna tell me these spec requirements are "unoptimized" for a 2016 game with 3D Graphics?????
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows (64bit) 7 or higher up to date
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo, 3.0GHz - AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ 3.2GHz
Memory: 2 GB RAM
Graphics: 1024 MB video card
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 40 GB available space

C'mon man, the game literally runs 60fps on my garbage tier laptop with no GPU and low end CPU from 2016, just below 720p 60fps. Don't do yourself like this, you're literally making yourself out to be a clown the more you speak

Yeah on lower rez the game runs fine but on WQHD it struggles when i dont turn down MSAA, Doom Eternal for example doesnt. So its probably not my specs or drivers. And i obviously didnt lock the game to a lower FPS. Just take the L and accept that it doesnt run as it should. I have a RX 6600XT, it sholudn´t have problems with this game but it somehow does, and its not my PCs fault. Just checked and as soon as i turn up MSAA i have these slow downs.

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Yeah on lower rez the game runs fine but on WQHD it struggles when i dont turn down MSAA, Doom Eternal for example doesnt. So its probably not my specs or drivers. And i obviously didnt lock the game to a lower FPS. Just take the L and accept that it doesnt run as it should. I have a RX 6600XT, it sholudn´t have problems with this game but it somehow does, and its not my PCs fault. Just checked and as soon as i turn up MSAA i have these slow downs.

It entirely has to be your drivers because not every game plays the same or uses the same resources in the same way. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. For example, when this game first launched, character shadows in the pre-draw functions took 1GB VRAM minimum, sometimes 2GB VRAM depending on your settings. That plus the old particle effects ate your RAM for breakfast. Both of those were heavily optimized within months of updates.

Yes you shouldn't have a problem with an RX 6600XT, but then here's the question: Why does your high-end GPU have an issue with a game that literal Intel HD POTATOES don't? Why do my GTX 1660ti, my RX460, and my RX580 all not have problems with this game at 1440p and MSAA? Why does generally majority of the audience of this game not have this issue?

Because if it was honestly that terribly optimized, the reviews on Steam should reflect that right? Or the fact that the original Tormunds FPS Fix that removes the pre-draw function was deprecated since the RTB update in 2017, where using it offered zero benefit because the functions it removed were already optimized to a large degree? Or the fact no other known "performance improvement" besides when I nearly halved the RAM leaks of the original Tormunds FPS Fix has ever been approached? And tell me, if it's so unoptimized, why threads like these are in the minority of any other thread on the discussions, compared to day 1 where it was the only thing discussed?

Please, do enlighten me how this works. Clearly I don't know, as someone who's been developing games and works professionally in programming for years. But right, I should "take the L" that just doesn't exist.

Oh, and remember that AMD Drivers are notorious for issues on Windows. Don't forget their OpenGL "compatibility" on that one, let alone their Vulkan "compatibility". My RX460 drivers claim they're "vulkan compatible" yet ironically no application can run it via Vulkan Backend. Yet my RX580 magically can, but says it has less compatibility than my RX460. Riddle me this, Batman.

[The4Ges]

Never had problems with OpenGL or Vulcan compatibillity on any other game ever. Maybe you could riddle me why this is the only game that i have this problem with. My system can run everything perfectly, i have the latest drivers and there should be no reason why the game runs that bad when turning MSAA and the rez up. And there are multiple yt videos Out there with thousands of views (from Like 1 year ago) trying to fix this issue. I just dont get how you can just ignore thousands of people having problems with this game and stick to your opinion because you know a bit of c++ and therefore you cant be wrong. Im studying computer science and i can tell that there is something wrong with the code, my guess would be overdraw that becomes a problem on higher rez because it was optimized for fhd and therefore not noticed that it could be a problem on higher rez. But yeah you are the smartest and greatest developer to have ever graced the earth so enlighten me and the others about how we all are to stupid to run this game properly or just dont have the specs for this game even thought it should be running on a toaster according to the recommended specs .

[pig]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Yeah on lower rez the game runs fine but on WQHD it struggles when i dont turn down MSAA, Doom Eternal for example doesnt. So its probably not my specs or drivers. And i obviously didnt lock the game to a lower FPS. Just take the L and accept that it doesnt run as it should. I have a RX 6600XT, it sholudn´t have problems with this game but it somehow does, and its not my PCs fault. Just checked and as soon as i turn up MSAA i have these slow downs.

It entirely has to be your drivers because not every game plays the same or uses the same resources in the same way. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. For example, when this game first launched, character shadows in the pre-draw functions took 1GB VRAM minimum, sometimes 2GB VRAM depending on your settings. That plus the old particle effects ate your RAM for breakfast. Both of those were heavily optimized within months of updates.

Yes you shouldn't have a problem with an RX 6600XT, but then here's the question: Why does your high-end GPU have an issue with a game that literal Intel HD POTATOES don't? Why do my GTX 1660ti, my RX460, and my RX580 all not have problems with this game at 1440p and MSAA? Why does generally majority of the audience of this game not have this issue?

Because if it was honestly that terribly optimized, the reviews on Steam should reflect that right? Or the fact that the original Tormunds FPS Fix that removes the pre-draw function was deprecated since the RTB update in 2017, where using it offered zero benefit because the functions it removed were already optimized to a large degree? Or the fact no other known "performance improvement" besides when I nearly halved the RAM leaks of the original Tormunds FPS Fix has ever been approached? And tell me, if it's so unoptimized, why threads like these are in the minority of any other thread on the discussions, compared to day 1 where it was the only thing discussed?

Please, do enlighten me how this works. Clearly I don't know, as someone who's been developing games and works professionally in programming for years. But right, I should "take the L" that just doesn't exist.

Oh, and remember that AMD Drivers are notorious for issues on Windows. Don't forget their OpenGL "compatibility" on that one, let alone their Vulkan "compatibility". My RX460 drivers claim they're "vulkan compatible" yet ironically no application can run it via Vulkan Backend. Yet my RX580 magically can, but says it has less compatibility than my RX460. Riddle me this, Batman.

this dude coping so bad just admit that a game that was made 7 years ago surprisingly doesn't run properly in some modern hardware 😱😱😱😱

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi pig:

this dude coping so bad just admit that a game that was made 7 years ago surprisingly doesn't run properly in some modern hardware 😱😱😱😱

Literally it's not coping. Also "doesn't run properly in modern hardware" applies to ♥♥♥♥ like Windows XP or 95. By Windows 7 they had a good idea of what compatibility means. I'm literally a game developer. I think I know my ♥♥♥♥.

Also works fine both on my Steam Deck and my current desktop, so maybe you're the one coping.

Edit: Cope hard it runs perfectly fine, random vid I found online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2VHqRyaik4

Y'all are why I hate the gaming community. Literally facts don't even matter to you guys, and y'all send your twitter mobs at people for no reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R076UscSE4

[The4Ges]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi pig:

this dude coping so bad just admit that a game that was made 7 years ago surprisingly doesn't run properly in some modern hardware 😱😱😱😱

Literally it's not coping. Also "doesn't run properly in modern hardware" applies to ♥♥♥♥ like Windows XP or 95. By Windows 7 they had a good idea of what compatibility means. I'm literally a game developer. I think I know my ♥♥♥♥.

"Im LiTeRaLlY a GaMe DeVeLoPeR" and thats why you cant be wrong on anything you say? I developed a game too. Does that make me know everything? No. But i know that this game has problems when trying to run it on higher settings and higher rez, and its not because of my Pc because others have the problem too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJpoVMVQubg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1c-osjtb74

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Literally it's not coping. Also "doesn't run properly in modern hardware" applies to ♥♥♥♥ like Windows XP or 95. By Windows 7 they had a good idea of what compatibility means. I'm literally a game developer. I think I know my ♥♥♥♥.

"Im LiTeRaLlY a GaMe DeVeLoPeR" and thats why you cant be wrong on anything you say? I developed a game too. Does that make me know everything? No. But i know that this game has problems when trying to run it on higher settings and higher rez, and its not because of my Pc.

That's not what I said but go off. The more you respond to me the more you demonstrate a clear reading and learning disability.

[The4Ges]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

"Im LiTeRaLlY a GaMe DeVeLoPeR" and thats why you cant be wrong on anything you say? I developed a game too. Does that make me know everything? No. But i know that this game has problems when trying to run it on higher settings and higher rez, and its not because of my Pc.

That's not what I said but go off. The more you respond to me the more you demonstrate a clear reading and learning disability.

You literally said in the comment that what he wrote was bs because "Im literally a game developer. I think i know my ♥♥♥♥", implying that you think you are 100% right and we all here are 100% wrong

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

That's not what I said but go off. The more you respond to me the more you demonstrate a clear reading and learning disability.

You literally said in the comment that what he wrote was bs because "Im literally a game developer. I think i know my ♥♥♥♥", implying that you think you are 100% right and we all here are 100% wrong

That's literally not what that means, you are literally demonstrating a clear reading disability. Knowing my ♥♥♥♥ doesn't mean 100% perfect and infallible, but it does mean I have a leg up compared to both of you, people who clearly don't understand basic troubleshooting and statistics.

[The4Ges]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

You literally said in the comment that what he wrote was bs because "Im literally a game developer. I think i know my ♥♥♥♥", implying that you think you are 100% right and we all here are 100% wrong

That's literally not what that means, you are literally demonstrating a clear reading disability. Knowing my ♥♥♥♥ doesn't mean 100% perfect and infallible, but it does mean I have a leg up compared to both of you, people who clearly don't understand basic troubleshooting and statistics.

You somehow just dont understand that there are thousands with this problem, but you think that everyone of those people just have something wrong with their pc or their drivers, and not that the game itself may be faulty. And when it comes to troubleshooting, the game runs just fine for me when turning either the rez or MSAA down bit. But it should run normally on highest settings on newer systems. And people definitely shouldnt be forced to go to the gameconfig or download external fixes to fix this game. Not everybody knows that much about pcs like we do. Like i said in a previous comment i think overdraw is the root of those problems but i dont definitely know. But a lot of people have these problems.

[Hayatemaru]

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

That's literally not what that means, you are literally demonstrating a clear reading disability. Knowing my ♥♥♥♥ doesn't mean 100% perfect and infallible, but it does mean I have a leg up compared to both of you, people who clearly don't understand basic troubleshooting and statistics.

You somehow just dont understand that there are thousands with this problem, but you think that everyone of those people just have something wrong with their pc or their drivers, and not that the game itself may be faulty. And when it comes to troubleshooting, the game runs just fine for me when turning either the rez or MSAA down bit. But it should run normally on highest settings on newer systems. And people definitely shouldnt be forced to go to the gameconfig or download external fixes to fix this game. Not everybody knows that much about pcs like we do. Like i said in a previous comment i think overdraw is the root of those problems but i dont definitely know. But a lot of people have these problems.

"There are thousands with this problem" Then where are they? Seems it's the same 3 people on this thread, and any time I've asked for "evidence" people point to 2016 threads which are both before 60fps was put in and also before the game literally reduced its minimum requirements to 1/4 of when the thread started.

Can't help noticing that 90% of the reviews on both overall and recent are positive, and that when filtering only for negative reviews barely any mention slow-mo.

The game isn't using "overdraw", it's not that deep. Nearly single time someone has this issue they mention things like turning off MSAA, lowering resolution settings, turning off other AA, etc. All of these translate to "the game is running less graphics power". Any time it's been someone with an actual GPU or good hardware, it's been their monitor plugged into the motherboard instead of the GPU, or most commonly they're on a laptop that's defaulting to the integrated graphics. Hell, some laptops force that when you plug into an external monitor or TV.

Another thing - very few people find success turning off VSync because they're running a 30hz monitor. I didn't think that was a thing, but it is. I've also seen people using Rivatuner to limit framerate on games because they're afraid of battery life on laptops. Guess what, that makes 60fps games run at 30fps!

Wild how I've literally not come across a single instance of someone actually running high end hardware not being able to run this game at 60fps, besides the 3 stooges in this thread that are bumping it now. Hell one of them doesn't even own the game on Steam, check out how he doesn't have a mouse next to his name.

Notice that all 3 of you refused to check anything I've asked, and only taken offense to what I said. You guys spent all this time whining at me instead of actually checking what I've offered. You'd rather put words in my mouth than actually fix the issue. Good on you guys, continue to run the game at low framerate, I don't care.

[The4Ges]

Nguyên văn bởi Hayatemaru:

Nguyên văn bởi The4Ges:

You somehow just dont understand that there are thousands with this problem, but you think that everyone of those people just have something wrong with their pc or their drivers, and not that the game itself may be faulty. And when it comes to troubleshooting, the game runs just fine for me when turning either the rez or MSAA down bit. But it should run normally on highest settings on newer systems. And people definitely shouldnt be forced to go to the gameconfig or download external fixes to fix this game. Not everybody knows that much about pcs like we do. Like i said in a previous comment i think overdraw is the root of those problems but i dont definitely know. But a lot of people have these problems.

"There are thousands with this problem" Then where are they? Seems it's the same 3 people on this thread, and any time I've asked for "evidence" people point to 2016 threads which are both before 60fps was put in and also before the game literally reduced its minimum requirements to 1/4 of when the thread started.

Can't help noticing that 90% of the reviews on both overall and recent are positive, and that when filtering only for negative reviews barely any mention slow-mo.

The game isn't using "overdraw", it's not that deep. Nearly single time someone has this issue they mention things like turning off MSAA, lowering resolution settings, turning off other AA, etc. All of these translate to "the game is running less graphics power". Any time it's been someone with an actual GPU or good hardware, it's been their monitor plugged into the motherboard instead of the GPU, or most commonly they're on a laptop that's defaulting to the integrated graphics. Hell, some laptops force that when you plug into an external monitor or TV.

Another thing - very few people find success turning off VSync because they're running a 30hz monitor. I didn't think that was a thing, but it is. I've also seen people using Rivatuner to limit framerate on games because they're afraid of battery life on laptops. Guess what, that makes 60fps games run at 30fps!

Wild how I've literally not come across a single instance of someone actually running high end hardware not being able to run this game at 60fps, besides the 3 stooges in this thread that are bumping it now. Hell one of them doesn't even own the game on Steam, check out how he doesn't have a mouse next to his name.

Notice that all 3 of you refused to check anything I've asked, and only taken offense to what I said. You guys spent all this time whining at me instead of actually checking what I've offered. You'd rather put words in my mouth than actually fix the issue. Good on you guys, continue to run the game at low framerate, I don't care.

The videos i linked had thouands of views, thats what i base this on. I didnt plug my monitor into the motherboard because my cpu is a i5 12400f (doesnt have a internal graphics unit) and my monitor has 144hz (besides that Vsync is off). You just find the stupidest excuses for why the game slows down and dont want to see that the game is flawed. But i think that im talking against a wall and its just a waste of time talking to such ignorant people like you. To everyone coming to this thread in the future, try to turn down MSAA, this should do the trick, if not also try to turn down the resolution. The game seems to struggle with higher setting. I hope this will end the thread once and for all.
P.S. If you really wouldnt care you would have already stopped replying a long time ago and i can tell you will reply to this one because you need to have the last word but im tired of this discussion.