Denuvo Kernel Acess

[HokageSama]

Denuvo uses Kernel Access, meaning it can access your system down to the folder level. Developers are not using Denuvo to protect against piracy (because Denuvo does not guarantee sales success) but rather to obtain customer data, like Riot's Vanguard.

[HiRed_ThuG]

Denuvo Anti-Tamper does not nor have ever relied on kernel drivers/services to function as such a requirement would provide no additional security benefits and only negatively impact end users.[Note 6] This misunderstanding seems to have become more and more common in 2023/2024, most likely because people mistake it for its Anti-Cheat sibling where that requirement exists.

source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

[HokageSama]

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

Denuvo Anti-Tamper does not nor have ever relied on kernel drivers/services to function as such a requirement would provide no additional security benefits and only negatively impact end users.[Note 6] This misunderstanding seems to have become more and more common in 2023/2024, most likely because people mistake it for its Anti-Cheat sibling where that requirement exists.

source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

"Technical information • Link

Denuvo Anti-Cheat relies on two Windows services for its functionality:

Denuvo Anti-Cheat is a kernel driver service responsible for the anti-cheat protection used by games.[10]
Denuvo Anti-Cheat Update Service is a background service responsible for keeping the anti-cheat component up-to-date.

Both of these services are manually started alongside the games that needs them, and can at any point be uninstalled through the Programs and Features list of Windows. "

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

[HokageSama]

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

Denuvo Anti-Tamper does not nor have ever relied on kernel drivers/services to function as such a requirement would provide no additional security benefits and only negatively impact end users.[Note 6] This misunderstanding seems to have become more and more common in 2023/2024, most likely because people mistake it for its Anti-Cheat sibling where that requirement exists.

source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

If it exists in Anti-cheat, it exists in the other one. And they won't tell you.

[HiRed_ThuG]

Originally posted by HokageSama:

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

"Technical information • Link

Denuvo Anti-Cheat relies on two Windows services for its functionality:

Denuvo Anti-Cheat is a kernel driver service responsible for the anti-cheat protection used by games.[10]
Denuvo Anti-Cheat Update Service is a background service responsible for keeping the anti-cheat component up-to-date.

Both of these services are manually started alongside the games that needs them, and can at any point be uninstalled through the Programs and Features list of Windows. "

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

And is Stellar Blade using Denuvo Anti-Cheat or Denuvo Anti-Tamper?

I'll give you a clue, Anti-Cheat is usually used in multiplayer games and Denuvo Anti-Cheat has only been used in like 3 games.

Also it's very common for Anti-Cheat software to have kernel level access.

If that's not good enough maybe have a look at the Stellar Blade store page where it clearly mentions that it's using Denuvo Anti-Tamper.

[HokageSama]

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

Originally posted by HokageSama:

"Technical information • Link

Denuvo Anti-Cheat relies on two Windows services for its functionality:

Denuvo Anti-Cheat is a kernel driver service responsible for the anti-cheat protection used by games.[10]
Denuvo Anti-Cheat Update Service is a background service responsible for keeping the anti-cheat component up-to-date.

Both of these services are manually started alongside the games that needs them, and can at any point be uninstalled through the Programs and Features list of Windows. "

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

And is Stellar Blade using Denuvo Anti-Cheat or Denuvo Anti-Tamper?

I'll give you a clue, Anti-Cheat is usually used in multiplayer games and Denuvo Anti-Cheat has only been used in like 3 games.

Also it's very common for Anti-Cheat software to have kernel level access.

If that's not good enough maybe have a look at the Stellar Blade store page where it clearly mentions that it's using Denuvo Anti-Tamper.

Now I understand why companies are adopting Denuvo. Piracy has never bankrupted them. And the companies that use Denuvo have a history of bad practices against consumers (Microsoft, Sony, WBgames, Ubisoft...). The EULA never makes it clear to us about our rights to the product, imagine a program with Kernel level. They will never tell you.

[HiRed_ThuG]

Originally posted by HokageSama:

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

And is Stellar Blade using Denuvo Anti-Cheat or Denuvo Anti-Tamper?

I'll give you a clue, Anti-Cheat is usually used in multiplayer games and Denuvo Anti-Cheat has only been used in like 3 games.

Also it's very common for Anti-Cheat software to have kernel level access.

If that's not good enough maybe have a look at the Stellar Blade store page where it clearly mentions that it's using Denuvo Anti-Tamper.

Now I understand why companies are adopting Denuvo. Piracy has never bankrupted them. And the companies that use Denuvo have a history of bad practices against consumers (Microsoft, Sony, WBgames, Ubisoft...). The EULA never makes it clear to us about our rights to the product, imagine a program with Kernel level. They will never tell you.

If it were using kernel level access it would be covered by most publications.

In any case, Denuvo Anti-Tamper can't have such access as it's embedded into the games exe and doesn't install anything.

[HokageSama]

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

Originally posted by HokageSama:

Now I understand why companies are adopting Denuvo. Piracy has never bankrupted them. And the companies that use Denuvo have a history of bad practices against consumers (Microsoft, Sony, WBgames, Ubisoft...). The EULA never makes it clear to us about our rights to the product, imagine a program with Kernel level. They will never tell you.

If it were using kernel level access it would be covered by most publications.

In any case, Denuvo Anti-Tamper can't have such access as it's embedded into the games exe and doesn't install anything.

It doesn't install anything because it already runs with the game. That's why it has a performance drop. 2 programs running at the same time.

If it's just an Anti-Tamper, a check at startup would be enough to verify if the game is original. Why does it have to be running all the time along with the game?

[HiRed_ThuG]

Originally posted by HokageSama:

Originally posted by HiRed_ThuG:

If it were using kernel level access it would be covered by most publications.

In any case, Denuvo Anti-Tamper can't have such access as it's embedded into the games exe and doesn't install anything.

It doesn't install anything because it already runs with the game. That's why it has a performance drop. 2 programs running at the same time.

If it's just an Anti-Tamper, a check at startup would be enough to verify if the game is original. Why does it have to be running all the time along with the game?

You clearly don't know much about Denuvo and as you are more interested in moving the goal post there isn't really any point in me continuing this conversation.

[Goonshall]

Then don't buy it.

[HokageSama]

Originally posted by Goonshall:

Then don't buy it.

I won't buy it. Maybe in about 2 years or when they remove the denuvo.

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Originally posted by HokageSama:

If it exists in Anti-cheat, it exists in the other one. And they won't tell you.

no, it doesn't, denuvo anti cheat and denuvo anti tamper are entirely separate applications, it would be very easy to check and verify if they were the same thing

[Turtle-Pigeon]

Originally posted by space:

Originally posted by HokageSama:

If it exists in Anti-cheat, it exists in the other one. And they won't tell you.

no, it doesn't, denuvo anti cheat and denuvo anti tamper are entirely separate applications, it would be very easy to check and verify if they were the same thing

Same company, policies, business model and design.
There is no trust in hostile and invasive people.

[space]

Originally posted by Turtle-Pigeon:

Same company, policies, business model and design.
There is no trust in hostile and invasive people.

completely irrelevant to what i said

[Turtle-Pigeon]

Originally posted by space:

Originally posted by Turtle-Pigeon:

Same company, policies, business model and design.
There is no trust in hostile and invasive people.

completely irrelevant to what i said

Here, I will try and make it more easy to understand:
Irdeto makes denuvo anti-tamper right?
And Irdeto makes denuvo anti-cheat right?

Now read what I wrote earlier again.

[TR1PLE 6]

It's the anti-cheat that's kernel level.
Only 4 games[www.pcgamingwiki.com] are using it.
I think Sniper Elite 5 had it but now they use EAC instead.