This looks woke. is it woke?

[SecretDragonSludge (Drugs)]

The protagonist is a woman so I'm worried it might be woke. Anyone know?

[Saint Wolf]

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

and to the second paragraph, i'll just say that gaming has gotten mainstream. to an extent where you'll be damned if you do or damned if you dont. I personally dont think its really fair to compare a time when gaming was an extremely niche thing to that of where it is mainstream, both are extremely different thing. Gaming going mainstream is also why we might not have any strongly political game like Wolfenstein anymore. I hope you get the gist of what I mean.

The game is woke though *wink* *wink*

It is though, men are still the main owners of the high end systems, they are the ones that drive the profits, "gaming" ignoring phones because, I mean sure, go off, play max settings Resi 4 R or even Crysis on your phone. Men are still the ones who move all the profits in games, and even my gay friends tell me, they don't want lame and gay games. So yes, it's fair to compare it because the people who move the profit in the space we are speaking of are the same now as they were then and what we're trying to do is to kick the ladder and act "holier than thou", it was either wrong when we enjoyed titties in games before and now it's wrong or it was always wrong or (the right answer) it was then a moral panic, and now it's also a moral panic.

And even the women who do enjoy videogames in high end systems don't like the fugly, kicked by a donkey, too many chomosome looking females in games, we have the data on that.

[❤ Natsumi ❤]

You're a Clown

[Morrandir]

Eve is a strong independent woman who needs no man, but she also happens to be hot as F

[Iditri]

Originally posted by Saint Wolf:

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

and to the second paragraph, i'll just say that gaming has gotten mainstream. to an extent where you'll be damned if you do or damned if you dont. I personally dont think its really fair to compare a time when gaming was an extremely niche thing to that of where it is mainstream, both are extremely different thing. Gaming going mainstream is also why we might not have any strongly political game like Wolfenstein anymore. I hope you get the gist of what I mean.

The game is woke though *wink* *wink*

It is though, men are still the main owners of the high end systems, they are the ones that drive the profits, "gaming" ignoring phones because, I mean sure, go off, play max settings Resi 4 R or even Crysis on your phone. Men are still the ones who move all the profits in games, and even my gay friends tell me, they don't want lame and gay games. So yes, it's fair to compare it because the people who move the profit in the space we are speaking of are the same now as they were then and what we're trying to do is to kick the ladder and act "holier than thou", it was either wrong when we enjoyed titties in games before and now it's wrong or it was always wrong or (the right answer) it was then a moral panic, and now it's also a moral panic.

And even the women who do enjoy videogames in high end systems don't like the fugly, kicked by a donkey, too many chomosome looking females in games, we have the data on that.

Take some classes on english cause you missed the whole point. We're still talking about gaming, not precisely on desk- or laptops, so yes, comparing different times is a false equivalence. Irony that you call others "holier than thou" while thinking someone playing on lower devices is somehow inferior. By your stupid logic, I'm not gamer solely because my machine cant run RE4R. and if you want to argue that, didnt AC mirage just dropped for a phone and RE village is also a thing there? Also RE4R exists on a mobile

[Iditri]

Originally posted by Morrandir:

Eve is a strong independent woman who needs no man, but she also happens to be hot as F

thats why we calling it woke dawg. shes a strong independent woman

[Iditri]

Originally posted by 女無さん:

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

i personally think that argument regarding a game is woke is or not is always and has always been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid because it dilutes the actual criticism that game might have. Stellar Blade aint no perfect game, nor is other "woke" games.

and to the second paragraph, i'll just say that gaming has gotten mainstream. to an extent where you'll be damned if you do or damned if you dont. I personally dont think its really fair to compare a time when gaming was an extremely niche thing to that of where it is mainstream, both are extremely different thing. Gaming going mainstream is also why we might not have any strongly political game like Wolfenstein anymore. I hope you get the gist of what I mean.

The game is woke though *wink* *wink*

Absolutely, the mainstream argument is true to a certain extent. But, does going mainstream HAVE to mean that you must dumb down mechanics and make things more family friendly? I think it's corporate cowardice at work, they don't necessarily have to, but rather choose to. Which is again, why Stellar Blade and other upcoming east asian releases come into discussion for comparison.
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - that's fine, just try to make it a 50-50 split, instead of the 90-10 we've had for so long now. That's my stance on it anyway.

Fr fr hella woke.

not quite but being mainstream makes it an extremely risky to include such stuff. I can argue that this whole Stellar Blade "♥♥♥♥" wouldnt have even existed if gaming werent mainstream. I'd argue that even contrary wouldnt have existed, we have had such stuff in the past games. Mass Effect 5 would also have similar "culture war" vomit because things were vastly different in gaming landscape 13 years ago from now. People might make excuses but gaming is more on lens than ever and given current american climate, I'm actually afraid that it would lead to another Mortal Kombat situation that happened 30 years ago.

Every company tries to dance around various stuff to appeal to the masses. An unequal example would be gore which has to be toned down for it to be sold in Japan. Resident Evil has various cuts in japanese version. even AC Shadows wouldnt have any gory finisher for Japanese release. Only proper evidence I have is that i have copies of both original RE4 and Biohazard 4 and the latter has no decapitation. Now the alternate is to isolate the a whole market and most corporates are not willing to do that, so they choose to limit themselves instead. Do I understand why they do such "safe play" ♥♥♥♥? Yes. Do I justify it? No, creative liberty should be first and foremost thing which has to be prioritised when we talk about game as an art now. This is also one of the reasons why gaming just sucks now because it tries to appeal to everyone and ends up being favoured by none.

[女無さん]

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

Originally posted by 女無さん:

Absolutely, the mainstream argument is true to a certain extent. But, does going mainstream HAVE to mean that you must dumb down mechanics and make things more family friendly? I think it's corporate cowardice at work, they don't necessarily have to, but rather choose to. Which is again, why Stellar Blade and other upcoming east asian releases come into discussion for comparison.
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - that's fine, just try to make it a 50-50 split, instead of the 90-10 we've had for so long now. That's my stance on it anyway.

Fr fr hella woke.

not quite but being mainstream makes it an extremely risky to include such stuff. I can argue that this whole Stellar Blade "♥♥♥♥" wouldnt have even existed if gaming werent mainstream. I'd argue that even contrary wouldnt have existed, we have had such stuff in the past games. Mass Effect 5 would also have similar "culture war" vomit because things were vastly different in gaming landscape 13 years ago from now. People might make excuses but gaming is more on lens than ever and given current american climate, I'm actually afraid that it would lead to another Mortal Kombat situation that happened 30 years ago.

Every company tries to dance around various stuff to appeal to the masses. An unequal example would be gore which has to be toned down for it to be sold in Japan. Resident Evil has various cuts in japanese version. even AC Shadows wouldnt have any gory finisher for Japanese release. Only proper evidence I have is that i have copies of both original RE4 and Biohazard 4 and the latter has no decapitation. Now the alternate is to isolate the a whole market and most corporates are not willing to do that, so they choose to limit themselves instead. Do I understand why they do such "safe play" ♥♥♥♥? Yes. Do I justify it? No, creative liberty should be first and foremost thing which has to be prioritised when we talk about game as an art now. This is also one of the reasons why gaming just sucks now because it tries to appeal to everyone and ends up being favoured by none.

Very true. It also doesn't help that they're incentivised by platform holders either, take Goolag's policy on mature content for example - you want your game on the Goolag playstore? Then no nudity, or any other of these themes we've deemed advertiser unfriendly. Most stores also refused to sell physical copies of games that had an 18+ rating, regardless of how minor it might had been.

[Bloody Moon]

The protagonist does not have a heterosexual nature; I have always considered her a lesbian because I have never seen a typical interaction between a man and a woman as it happens in reality. She is an ambiguous and also bland character.

[AleX]

Along with Nier Automata, SB is one of the biggest anti woke titles since "modern audience"
was released into the world.

[Bloody Moon]

Originally posted by AleX:

Along with Nier Automata, SB is one of the biggest anti woke titles since "modern audience"
was released into the world.

The character does not behave like a heterosexual at all; she's ambiguous and also bland. Moreover,she seems more attracted to other female characters and draws the attention of other female characters. I’ve played it three times on PS5 and I can say that this game is overrated, Nier is much better.

[Saint Wolf]

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

Irony that you call others "holier than thou" while thinking someone playing on lower devices is somehow inferior. By your stupid logic, I'm not gamer solely because my machine cant run RE4R. and if you want to argue that, didnt AC mirage just dropped for a phone and RE village is also a thing there? Also RE4R exists on a mobile

Strawma:

(1) My "holier than thou" argument is based on the fact that we used to have games that were titillating with pretty women and themes of realpolitik which "we can't have now", except we can if you write it well, aka write realpolitik, real culutral and ideological divides like:
"We used to be a great people but we sent assassins after the kings of our enemies and after that we got raided and our sustained economy on having clear water, breeding good steeds and trading shell-fish got ruined, and we started having our blue finger nails burnt off of our hands so the Kingdom of Aldazta could show us as second class citizens for our past actions against them" (this is slightly based off of a concept I'm working on but that tries to rely on history of the people, ideas of cultures and actual realpolitik)

(2) Assassin's Creed Mirage, RE4R and RE:Village came out for the highest of high end iPhone's, the 15 Pro/Pro Max and higher exclusively which could mean that they were probably paid a sum-amount of the port value by Apple to have that happen and they are free in the app store with in-game purchases, what the in-game purchases end up as, buying the chapters or the game is fully 100% free with the entry fee of buying a phone worth $1000 or more, because you need the Pro/Pro Max, the baseline iPhone and iPhone Plus of the 15 and 16 won't cut it.

[Iditri]

Originally posted by Saint Wolf:

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

Irony that you call others "holier than thou" while thinking someone playing on lower devices is somehow inferior. By your stupid logic, I'm not gamer solely because my machine cant run RE4R. and if you want to argue that, didnt AC mirage just dropped for a phone and RE village is also a thing there? Also RE4R exists on a mobile

Strawma:

(1) My "holier than thou" argument is based on the fact that we used to have games that were titillating with pretty women and themes of realpolitik which "we can't have now", except we can if you write it well, aka write realpolitik, real culutral and ideological divides like:
"We used to be a great people but we sent assassins after the kings of our enemies and after that we got raided and our sustained economy on having clear water, breeding good steeds and trading shell-fish got ruined, and we started having our blue finger nails burnt off of our hands so the Kingdom of Aldazta could show us as second class citizens for our past actions against them" (this is slightly based off of a concept I'm working on but that tries to rely on history of the people, ideas of cultures and actual realpolitik)

(2) Assassin's Creed Mirage, RE4R and RE:Village came out for the highest of high end iPhone's, the 15 Pro/Pro Max and higher exclusively which could mean that they were probably paid a sum-amount of the port value by Apple to have that happen and they are free in the app store with in-game purchases, what the in-game purchases end up as, buying the chapters or the game is fully 100% free with the entry fee of buying a phone worth $1000 or more, because you need the Pro/Pro Max, the baseline iPhone and iPhone Plus of the 15 and 16 won't cut it.

Fallacy fallacy.

1. what you describe as pretty and hot is always subjective and i dont think its worth arguing over it after this point. You missed my point again, my main point was that "gaming is held up to more scrutiny since its mainstream now". and if its written is also laughable given the meltdown to "The New Colossus" (the game not the poem) 8 years ago in the US. That game was closest to what we could have in understanding the nuances of fascism lol. That scrutiny was part of the reason why we have lukewarm joke of a game that Youngblood is

2. A simple google search would also tell that both of those "free" versions are demos after which you actually have to pay to play the whole game, kind of like Civilization 6 on mobile. The barrier of entry argument is laughable given that gaming components for desktop and laptop are also getting more expensive day-by-day lol.

[Iditri]

Originally posted by Bloody Moon:

Originally posted by AleX:

Along with Nier Automata, SB is one of the biggest anti woke titles since "modern audience"
was released into the world.

The character does not behave like a heterosexual at all; she's ambiguous and also bland. Moreover,she seems more attracted to other female characters and draws the attention of other female characters. I’ve played it three times on PS5 and I can say that this game is overrated, Nier is much better.

I mean reviews I've seen have told that story is nier but worse and combat is Sekiro but worse. Id love to give it a shot myself though

[Iditri]

Originally posted by 女無さん:

Originally posted by Your favourite turtle gamer:

not quite but being mainstream makes it an extremely risky to include such stuff. I can argue that this whole Stellar Blade "♥♥♥♥" wouldnt have even existed if gaming werent mainstream. I'd argue that even contrary wouldnt have existed, we have had such stuff in the past games. Mass Effect 5 would also have similar "culture war" vomit because things were vastly different in gaming landscape 13 years ago from now. People might make excuses but gaming is more on lens than ever and given current american climate, I'm actually afraid that it would lead to another Mortal Kombat situation that happened 30 years ago.

Every company tries to dance around various stuff to appeal to the masses. An unequal example would be gore which has to be toned down for it to be sold in Japan. Resident Evil has various cuts in japanese version. even AC Shadows wouldnt have any gory finisher for Japanese release. Only proper evidence I have is that i have copies of both original RE4 and Biohazard 4 and the latter has no decapitation. Now the alternate is to isolate the a whole market and most corporates are not willing to do that, so they choose to limit themselves instead. Do I understand why they do such "safe play" ♥♥♥♥? Yes. Do I justify it? No, creative liberty should be first and foremost thing which has to be prioritised when we talk about game as an art now. This is also one of the reasons why gaming just sucks now because it tries to appeal to everyone and ends up being favoured by none.

Very true. It also doesn't help that they're incentivised by platform holders either, take Goolag's policy on mature content for example - you want your game on the Goolag playstore? Then no nudity, or any other of these themes we've deemed advertiser unfriendly. Most stores also refused to sell physical copies of games that had an 18+ rating, regardless of how minor it might had been.

True, if i recall correctly, that happened with GTA San Andreas 18 years ago. The policies are strict and extremely narrow and given how much of intense labour game development has now gotten, I hardly doubt we'd have games that frequently which can cross those regulations, not the AAA ones at least, They'd always play safe. It wasnt until 2024 that big house publishers were trying to push themselves into niche genres like metroidvania with Zau and The Lost Crown or Roguelikes with the like of The Rogue Prince of Persia. We can expect indie studios to cross boundaries in that regulation stuff. And you can circumvent goolag as android lets you sideload, problem comes when apple pulls this stuff as most of the ios users still cant sideload anything so devs are also stuck with limiting themselves as they dont have any other option. I mean even in pc, we have this plague coming with Epic store blabering how they wont allow games with extreme content.

And added that with current culture war ♥♥♥♥, we can have corporates be like corporates and they know that stirred culture war wouldn't let them point fingers at the companies. AC Shadow is currently under scrutiny and if it fails, people would rather focus on single character from one of the deuterogonist characters and place all the blame on him instead of just you know, Ubisoft made another Ubislop. At this point, I believe that it's the part of their marketinf strategy to do something like this which would entice a culture war just so that people can forget about original problems with the game

[tpowl1400]

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