Is it possible to be OP in the demo, by farming?

[RasheedNaanCuriTheCurryDealer]

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[Weltall8000]

Could go a long way toward it.

Get all the quests completed, buy out the unique stuff from the stres, then level up magicite and magicite box.

The last two will result in more powerful magicite and the ability to equip more of it at a time.

The costs start getting pretty steep after a few level of Magicite/box though.

[RasheedNaanCuriTheCurryDealer]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Could go a long way toward it.

Get all the quests completed, buy out the unique stuff from the stres, then level up magicite and magicite box.

The last two will result in more powerful magicite and the ability to equip more of it at a time.

The costs start getting pretty steep after a few level of Magicite/box though.

Yaa, its the Magicite im curious about,, we get them from just killing enemies over and over again yes?

[Weltall8000]

There are chests and a quest reward or two of it, but, yeah, the main way to get it is from killing monsters and destroying objects in the environment.

Magicite shards rolls for new/better magicite at the vendor. A byproduct of this is also leveling your magicite level.

Tul (money) can be used ro upgrade the box (how much magicite you can equip).

Personally (and I am not sure how this pans out), I am hanging onto magicite shards until I obtain all the weapon types. My reasoning is, I can roll for them too, while I am not sure if they are rolled on now. If I am correct, this will land me on more magicite coverage later, with fewer "wasted" rolls resulting in duplicates and minimal refunds.

So, when I get the final weapon type, I am dumping a warchest into it and should rapidly level up several levels.

But! I may not fully understand the system yet. This could be inefficient. Depending on if/what I got wrong.

[Aspireal]

You definitely cannot get a magicite for a weapon that you don't own. Even by looting a magicite in a chest, it doesn't unlock MyûMyû's ability to give you that. There is one magicite for the grapple-like weapon in a chest, my magicite maker is lvl 4 and half, never got anything else.
Also, MyûMyû let you see all the possible magicites (at 5* rank) of all weapons for which you have at least one magicite. So in the demo, you can see everything except the hammer.

Different bosses are easier with different weapons. But some bosses will require specific weapons (from the NS2 demo, Bombs will be mandatory). So if a mandatory weapon is one that you don't like, having magicites from the first roulette is good.
(I have almost all available magicites, all at least 2*, and 14 3*, box lvl 5, slowly farming to lvl 6 because why not ? I like my farming route. ^^ )

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Aspireal:

You definitely cannot get a magicite for a weapon that you don't own. Even by looting a magicite in a chest, it doesn't unlock MyûMyû's ability to give you that. There is one magicite for the grapple-like weapon in a chest, my magicite maker is lvl 4 and half, never got anything else.
Also, MyûMyû let you see all the possible magicites (at 5* rank) of all weapons for which you have at least one magicite. So in the demo, you can see everything except the hammer.

Different bosses are easier with different weapons. But some bosses will require specific weapons (from the NS2 demo, Bombs will be mandatory). So if a mandatory weapon is one that you don't like, having magicites from the first roulette is good.
(I have almost all available magicites, all at least 2*, and 14 3*, box lvl 5, slowly farming to lvl 6 because why not ? I like my farming route. ^^ )

Incidentally, I did pick up the Scythe Chain magicite from a treasure chest. A weapon I definitely do not have right now. I do have the magicite for it chilling in my inventory.

[Aspireal]

And you won't have another one in the demo, considering I created more than 100 magicites after I got this one (which I will never use, I'm not good enough at aiming! XD) and not a single scythe-grapple. Not even better ranks of the one we loot.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Aspireal:

And you won't have another one in the demo, considering I created more than 100 magicites after I got this one (which I will never use, I'm not good enough at aiming! XD) and not a single scythe-grapple. Not even better ranks of the one we loot.

Right, which corroborates my initial impression and current strategy.

Good to know. Thanks for doing the legwork on that question!

[Icy1007]

Not really, you can't upgrade any of your weapons in the demo.

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Originally posted by Aspireal:

You definitely cannot get a magicite for a weapon that you don't own. Even by looting a magicite in a chest, it doesn't unlock MyûMyû's ability to give you that. There is one magicite for the grapple-like weapon in a chest, my magicite maker is lvl 4 and half, never got anything else.
Also, MyûMyû let you see all the possible magicites (at 5* rank) of all weapons for which you have at least one magicite. So in the demo, you can see everything except the hammer.

Different bosses are easier with different weapons. But some bosses will require specific weapons (from the NS2 demo, Bombs will be mandatory). So if a mandatory weapon is one that you don't like, having magicites from the first roulette is good.
(I have almost all available magicites, all at least 2*, and 14 3*, box lvl 5, slowly farming to lvl 6 because why not ? I like my farming route. ^^ )

Incidentally, I did pick up the Scythe Chain magicite from a treasure chest. A weapon I definitely do not have right now. I do have the magicite for it chilling in my inventory.

The sickle and chain doesn't appear to be in this demo. It was in the original "Debut Demo" on Switch 2 and was pretty cool. In that demo, the sickle was in the Desert Caves, but we cannot complete it in the Prologue Demo.

[epicsimian]

At Magicite Form rank 4 or 5 you unlock all weapon's magicite regardless if you own the weapon or not.

Even if that weren't the case you have to spend magicite to upgrade your form rank and until your rank is high enough to reliably get you 5 star magicite you're not really getting anything permanent no matter what weapons you get. That's because you have to replace everything eventually with it's 5 star version.

At form rank 6 you get a .06% chance to get a 5 star magicite so basically every magicite you spend before form rank 8 or 9 is really only to level up your rank and give you stuff to use in the interim.

At the same time that you unlock all weapon's magicite you also unlock all of the ??? options for rolling. Each 1 is just rolling for a specific weapon but it charges you 10 magicite instead of 5. The 10 cost rolls give you twice as much experience as the 5 cost rolls so you're still getting the same progress towards your form rank either way.

Duplicate magicite always give you 1 magicite shard. It's the same if you get a 5 star duplicate or a 1 star duplicate. Therefore, before you have reliable 5 star magicite odds, the only benefit of rolling for random weapons is getting 20% of your magicite back for dupes instead of 10% on the targeted weapons.

Also, when you unlock all weapon's magicite you also unlock a button in the form menu that allows you to see every magicite in the game, whether you've unlocked it or not, and what it's stats are at 5 stars. At least I didn't notice this button before I unlocked all weapon's.

There is a good reason to horde magicite shards and that is because you can save scum the results if you want. Though again, not to beat a dead horse, but until you can reliably get 5 star magicite there's no permanent upside to save scumming the results.

Finally, and this is more of just a fun quirky fact, you can get the benefits from a magicite of a weapon you don't own in 1 unique circumstance. There's a magicite for the bomb that disables the timer when you hold it. If you get that before you get the bomb and then equip it, you can pick up bombs thrown by enemies and it will stop their timers.

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by epicsimian:

At Magicite Form rank 4 or 5 you unlock all weapon's magicite regardless if you own the weapon or not.

You cannot form magicite for a weapon you don't have yet.

[epicsimian]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by epicsimian:

At Magicite Form rank 4 or 5 you unlock all weapon's magicite regardless if you own the weapon or not.

You cannot form magicite for a weapon you don't have yet.

... yes, you 100% can,

I don't suppose it'll let me screen shot in here.

edit: I've shared 2 screenshots of my magicite from the demo in my profile. 1 for the hammer and 1 for the chain and sickle. They're public and marked as spoilers. Hopefully this can prove to people that you can get magicite for weapons you don't own. For the record I have 13 hammer magicite and 14 chain and sickle magicite but don't own either weapon.

[Weltall8000]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by Weltall8000:

Incidentally, I did pick up the Scythe Chain magicite from a treasure chest. A weapon I definitely do not have right now. I do have the magicite for it chilling in my inventory.

The sickle and chain doesn't appear to be in this demo. It was in the original "Debut Demo" on Switch 2 and was pretty cool. In that demo, the sickle was in the Desert Caves, but we cannot complete it in the Prologue Demo.

Yeah, I was running around trying to complete it here. Tried to see if there was a way, but, without Faie, I couldn't do it. A shame. That was a fun dungeon, with a neat boss. And I loved the Scythe Chain as a weapon.

Oh well, three weeks.

[ShaneTalon]

I can confirm epicsimian is right, I've grinded to form rank 5 and that unlocks the 7 selected weapons of forming magicite at double cost. Random rolling magicite at this point gives you a mix from all 7 weapons. So, without grinding I'd guess that you'd maybe get the final weapons before that point naturally.
Form ranks 1-4 only random make magicite for current weapons
Form ranks 5+ can random for all, or select for one weapon at the double cost.
And yes the ranking being the same since it's just spend X magicite to rank up.

[RasheedNaanCuriTheCurryDealer]

Originally posted by ShaneTalon:

I can confirm epicsimian is right, I've grinded to form rank 5 and that unlocks the 7 selected weapons of forming magicite at double cost. Random rolling magicite at this point gives you a mix from all 7 weapons. So, without grinding I'd guess that you'd maybe get the final weapons before that point naturally.
Form ranks 1-4 only random make magicite for current weapons
Form ranks 5+ can random for all, or select for one weapon at the double cost.
And yes the ranking being the same since it's just spend X magicite to rank up.

Im close to Magicite lvl 8 now, and 5stars is now at 1% chance to get, and 4stars at 10%. Imma grind to level 9-10 these coming days and try to get 5stars on Sword and Spear