Fire Stones need a huge drop increase !!

[Hatsune Miku]

Its no secret why I don't like Fairy Fencer F, its because of the stupid design flaws with the quest system, and the reason why I gave it a negative review - Earlier I decided to complete the Collector Quest and write down the results.

On average, for each loading of the dungeon and checking to see if the hidden treasure was close enough, on ""average"" it took between 5/6 reloads for the hidden treasure to appear close enough on item sonar - so bear that in mind here. Also, I already had 1 Fire Stone, so this test was just to collect > 4 < fire stones. Also, I don't know if it helped or not, but I had +30% drop rate furies on the dungeon as well.

Mid Potion // Mid // Mid // Herb // Herb // Herb // Herb+Fire Stone // Herb+Fire Stone // Herb Sprout // Herb // Herb // Herb+Herb Sprout // Mid // Herb Sprout // Mid // Mid // Mid // Sprout // Sprout // Mid // Mid // Sprout // Mid // Sprout // Sprout+Fire Stone // Herb // Mid // Sprout // Herb // Mid // Herb+Fire Stone

The worst streak was 1 - 18 hidden treasures without the fire stone, also add the fact that during this time there was the usual reloading of the dungeon without a treasure nearby, it worked out at this streak at reloading the dungeon approx 90 times before I got another fire crystal.

For the 4 fire stones in general it took "At least" - "At least" 160++ Dungeon Reloads to get 4 fire stones in order to complete "The Collector" quest, obviously it doesn't really take a genius to figure out that this system is broken, it doesn't work and needs fixing - IF! Give us the materials in a DLC to bypass this unnessarily and obnoxious grind.

I shudder to think how many times you'll have to enter and reload dungeons for the Rank A Collector Quests when you need 60 Stones of all types - O.O I'm not math genius but at that sample size, to get finish the fire stones for Rank A you would need to reload the dungeon more than 1900+ times, could be alot more if your unlucky and could be a lot less if your really lucky.

[TrowGundam]

If I remember correctly (it has been a long time since I played the PS3 version), aren't all the stones available as monster drops after you have to re-unlock all the dungeons? I could be wrong, but if so that would make the Rank A much much quicker.

[Krelian]

Are you doing this in Yatagan? Fire stones are more frequent in Rudohke and you can also steal them from phoenixes.

[Myri]

Stealing is the way to go here, folks.

[allanvv]

When's the best time to start grinding for those 5 stones of each type for the rankup quest?

[davidb11]

Out of curioisity, OP, why would you think this was the intended behavior for the quest?

I think once you saw how absurdly rare they are, you'd stop searching for them and realize the game doesn't want you to complete it right now?

I'm not trying to be mean, but I think it would be obvious.

[Wolfie-san]

Well..... you kind o need to open up the whorld a whole lot more before completing that quest. Though you'll still have pently of D and E Rank Quests available at that time too. Also, I think it's kind of a way for you to grind levels too since when you ry for a B Revival Rank you're going to need to be around level 20 or so to actualy do anything useful.

[Hatsune Miku]

All my characters are level 20+ and I finished all the current quests, and I already have Rank B Revival. It was really the only thing needed to do in terms of questing, I was worried that if I didn't complete this quest then I would have to backtrack if I got a ton of new quests for dungeons I've already completed, it wouldn't make much sense.

Also, it still doens't make much sense to unlock the entire world just to finish one quest? As for stealing, even that is a pain - the odds of success with Seize seem awfully low without a whole ton of luck with Gald.

[Wolfie-san]

Originally posted by Tsukasa Hiiragi:

All my characters are level 20+ and I finished all the current quests, and I already have Rank B Revival. It was really the only thing needed to do in terms of questing, I was worried that if I didn't complete this quest then I would have to backtrack if I got a ton of new quests for dungeons I've already completed, it wouldn't make much sense.

Also, it still doens't make much sense to unlock the entire world just to finish one quest? As for stealing, even that is a pain - the odds of success with Seize seem awfully low without a whole ton of luck with Gald.

Now this is probably the reason why you have to do his achivements that are luck based I take it.

[Hatsune Miku]

Originally posted by Wolfie-san:

Originally posted by Tsukasa Hiiragi:

All my characters are level 20+ and I finished all the current quests, and I already have Rank B Revival. It was really the only thing needed to do in terms of questing, I was worried that if I didn't complete this quest then I would have to backtrack if I got a ton of new quests for dungeons I've already completed, it wouldn't make much sense.

Also, it still doens't make much sense to unlock the entire world just to finish one quest? As for stealing, even that is a pain - the odds of success with Seize seem awfully low without a whole ton of luck with Gald.

Now this is probably the reason why you have to do his achivements that are luck based I take it.

Which is another huge grind in itself >.> I mean, pressing the jump button for thousands of times /roll eyes I guess next time, I'll do research before auto-buying. If I wanted a hardcore grind, I'd go back to playing MMos lol

[davidb11]

To be honest, I kind of think that's why you needed to realize the quest wasn't designed to be done at this point in time.
I don't know. I'm still early game, and I'm not looking forward to switching party members around ot jump a ton either. :)

[OuchThatHurt]

so because you don't know how to do something quickly and with ease the game is broken?

[davidb11]

Originally posted by VikingDream - OuchThatHurt:

so because you don't know how to do something quickly and with ease the game is broken?

Whoa there, you kind of don't need to be that hostile.
As pointed out, Steal doesn't exactly have an amazing chance to succede without a whole lot of luck bonuses.

So, that's hardly an easy and quick way to get the fire stones. :)
I do believe the OP should have realized the game needed him to stop grinding this quest slowly, and come back to it later.

I don't think he's a bad person for not realizing this though.

[Hatsune Miku]

I don't know, because quest wise I've did all the quests it was offering me and I guess I needed to finish that awful Collectors quest in order to unlock rank B quests or something. Regardless of who is right/wrong, I still firmly believe that this system isn't a good idea, in fact its a very bad idea if that is the only way to get quest items by reloading dungeons over and over, or by attempting to steal with low % of success without having to do more mindless grinding to raise Galds Luck to a certain point so it becomes at least, an acceptable chance.

The problem with 'grinding' is there are two methods, one where the grind is hidden and another where the grind is very obvious. Many Jrpgs use the latter, some people enjoy a mindless grind, and others prefer a more hidden method so that your playing the game, your doing something over and over again but its not really 'grinding' as your still progressing, then you have something like this which is more or less a brickwall.

I've been reading old posts on gamefaqs and some other sites regarding the old PS3 version and most of the posts involving these particular collecting quests all mirror what I've been saying, in that the design is really bad and unnessary (and thats putting it mildly)

I think FFF could have been so much better if they hadn't have added these unnessary mechanics for rank up quests, they could have easily added boss battles which dropped quest items instead of a mindless farming approach - I guess in some ways you can forgive them since the game is fairly old now and I'm hoping they at least learned from mistakes made because you don't have any of those crappy mechanics in the HDN series (thank nepnep) And no fault is put on IF! since they only really handle the translations, same with Compile Heart - the mechanics are purely a decision by GRpg.

Kinder like Cross-edge (another GRpg) is a hardcore grinder, some people love it - and others hate it, FFF is the same way unfortunately its a very much niche game with a lovely looking anime paintjob and storyline.

[OuchThatHurt]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Originally posted by VikingDream - OuchThatHurt:

so because you don't know how to do something quickly and with ease the game is broken?

Whoa there, you kind of don't need to be that hostile.
As pointed out, Steal doesn't exactly have an amazing chance to succede without a whole lot of luck bonuses.

So, that's hardly an easy and quick way to get the fire stones. :)
I do believe the OP should have realized the game needed him to stop grinding this quest slowly, and come back to it later.

I don't think he's a bad person for not realizing this though.

That was not hostile it was a sdirect question, simple as that and the question was if it's not easy is the game broken?

As for the fetch quests if you keep spamming the same Hidden tresure spawns over and over sure it would get boring but if you just play the game and come back a little later you might find you have over half the items already fromdoing other things.

The game has many more good points then negative ones, the sound track for a game with the buget this one had is out standing.

[davidb11]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood you. My bad. Never post on the internet when you are tired.