Which princess did you pick? (spoilers)

[Cat]

Which princess did u pick and why?

I picked Vee. I liked the other one better but I picked Vee because she reminded me of Graham's grandson that gets always ignored for some reason. The other princess looked like Grahams grand daughter so i thought that if i picked Vee maybe Graham would love his grand son a little bit more. It looks like it didn't matter in the end.

[Cat]

Originally posted by Dungeon_Master:

Just completed the game myself and I also picked Neese, primarily because I felt her personality fit better with Graham (Or Grahame if you are an old timer like me). :P

I'm wondering though if there isn't some third option to restore Hagatha?

Yes, till the very end I had hoped that I could restore Hagartha to her human form. I felt like what happened to her was so unfair. She was really beautiful so it makes no sense that no prince came to rescue her. I really thought that at the end you would restore her human form and by some clever plot twist she will be your queen. especially since Graham couldn't get a princess past the barrier, they the two princeses were able to get each other out so for a moment I thought that they love each other and will stay with each other while Graham will get someone else, probably Hagartha who has found a way to go back to her young human form.

[Edreyn]

I chose Neese, she is funny. But I actually hoped until the end, that I can choose Hagatha and turn her back being young and beautiful.

[EricHVela]

I half expected that half of the containment spell also broke Valanice in half and that half of the quest was to at least halfway make them whole, but that wasn't the case... half as far as we know. Who can say what will happen later when we're only just over halfway to the end?

(I know that I didn't *half* to state it like that.)

[Lenimph]

I picked Vee, I liked her better over all (even look wise which seems off apparently whatever) but I was hoping that there would be a plot twist to restore Agatha and all that. I was a bit disappointed that there wasn't.

[Ali]

I picked Vee as she seemed more 'queenly' and I loved her strategy/logic favorings. Also her dress and hairstyle reminded me of her from King's Quest 7.

[Comrade Tim Tång]

Neese, her personality was fantastic and she's soooo pretty! *-*

[Coridan]

Am I the only one who didn't actually pick? I was being friendly/flirty with both of them and answered things honestly and happened to end up with Nice.

[rognik]

Originally posted by Coridan:

Am I the only one who didn't actually pick? I was being friendly/flirty with both of them and answered things honestly and happened to end up with Nice.

Well, I was happy to let either side win during my first playthrough as it unraveled. However, in the back of my mind, the interface echoed in my head how doing this will lead to that while that would lead to this. Even during Moral Quarrel, I could see that one choice was clearly more Neese while the other was more Vee. I answered the cards semi-randomly, then panicked as I tried to match my answer with whichever princess seemed to fit the answer.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Cat:

Which princess did u pick and why?

I picked Vee. I liked the other one better but I picked Vee because she reminded me of Graham's grandson that gets always ignored for some reason. The other princess looked like Grahams grand daughter so i thought that if i picked Vee maybe Graham would love his grand son a little bit more. It looks like it didn't matter in the end.

I too went with Vee because I felt that she was not only more my type, but that her personality is more in character with the lore - When choosing the two princesses, I can see how Vee can evolve into Valanice in KQ 6 and especially 7. Although Valanice is older in KQ7, she is very logical and calculation than her daughter in that game; Vee's personality fits Valanice's more than Neese's. I also do not recall Valanice being irratic, an airhead, and spontanious in the clasic games. While one can argue Graham isn't as spontanious in the classic games, he matures by the time chapter 3 hits. Also, classic Graham isn't as caring not to kill if he has too - this fits with Valanice's character in chapter 3. Vee' green color and hair style resembles to Valanice's green in KQ 7. Neese's purple dress matching Valanice's blue dress in games before KQ7 is debatable.

I also read the wiki afterwards and Vee fits the back story of the clasic stories more where she is known for her intelligence and beauty throughout her kingdom.

I think because the way The Odd Gentlemen introduced Neese after Vee is an indication that Vee is the traditional Valanice whereas Neece is the reimagined version of her.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Devilicious:

Originally posted by TheMan451:

Well, canonically, Valinice is a brunette. So the obvious choice is Neese.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/kingsquest/images/1/11/Valanice.png/revision/latest?cb=20140726011721

Neese says (at the end, if she was chosen) she is Valanice from WESTERN Kolyma.
Vee says (at the end, if she was chosen) she is Valanice from EASTERN Kolyma.


Canonically, Vallanice is Vee. See here: http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Valanice ^^

And if you play Kings Quest 7, you would see, Valanice never is clumsy + she has a thing for green dresses.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/highfantasy/images/d/d2/ValanicepaintingMoE.JPG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/123?cb=20111103073325
So, i chose Vee.

More things point to Vee such as Valanice in the classic series is known to be extremely intelligent. Also, Valanice in KQ6 and KQ7 fits Vee's personality and appearance more. As mentioned in my previous comment, I feel that Vee is the traditional version of the Queen and Neese is the reimagined version of the same character - a character added just for the sake to have two princesses to pick from. If Neese was Valanice, wouldn't she tag with Rosella in KQ4 and Alexander in KQ6? Afterall, Neese LOVES adventures. While Graham loves them as well, he was dying in the Rosella game and was nowhere to be seen until the end in KQ6.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by rognik:

Originally posted by Coridan:

Am I the only one who didn't actually pick? I was being friendly/flirty with both of them and answered things honestly and happened to end up with Nice.

Well, I was happy to let either side win during my first playthrough as it unraveled. However, in the back of my mind, the interface echoed in my head how doing this will lead to that while that would lead to this. Even during Moral Quarrel, I could see that one choice was clearly more Neese while the other was more Vee. I answered the cards semi-randomly, then panicked as I tried to match my answer with whichever princess seemed to fit the answer.

Also to add, you are basically forced to choose which princesses to pick from the start and I am not talking about the introduction scene. I've noticed that when I pressed left to save Vee's chest (after Vee telling me to), Neese gets upset of her vase being broken, which made me think that one can press right to save that instead, causing Vee to get upset that her chest breaks. There is also using the object to get the vase. Even though I played the chapter once, when Neese gets upset when I used the spear from Vee's closet to save the vase, also made me realize that the acorn from Neese's drawer (which was also in my inventory) can be given to the squirrel for the vase as well.

[tazamiga]

Originally posted by Kisai:

Originally posted by TheMan451:

Well, canonically, Valinice is a brunette. So the obvious choice is Neese.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/kingsquest/images/1/11/Valanice.png/revision/latest?cb=20140726011721

Up until Episode 3, one could reasonably say that every episode took place in-between the previous games. Episode 3 breaks canon because there wasn't two princeses, but on the other hand resolves it in a rather logical manner, if somewhat clumsy.

Kings Quest 2 didn't have a moving tower (The tower in Chapter 3 seems to be based partially on Rapunzel's tower and partially on Baba Yaga's hut.) You had to solve 4 puzzles to get the 4 magic keys to unlock the doors which then finally opened the way to get to the quartz tower. Once you got to the tower, there wasn't much left to do. The tower itself was on a small island with no way to reach it.

The references to Eastern Kolyma is what makes it certain that Neese is the correct choice. That info comes from the Kings Quest Companion.

The other thing that makes it canon-breaking is that Western Kolyma is practically uninhabited except for Red Riding Hood/Grandma, The Monastary, An Antique Shop, Drakula and Hagatha. So unless Vee is the Vampyre Princess, the writers decides to create an entirely new Western Kolyma (eg the KQ2 fan "remake" created an entire town in Western Kolyma too) and that is also reflected in how Hagatha now resides in the tower and plays a role closer to Gothel from the Rapunzel story. The events of KQ2 is what causes Manannan (from KQ3) to take Alexander. So this kinda puts this part of the game into question.

It reminded me of Howl's Moving Castle.

[Squirtle80]

At this point, Graham doesn't need another adventure partner, he needs someone to help him deal with the bureaucracy and administration of actually being King of Daventry. If Graham were just going to keep on adventuring Neese would be a great choice and companioon, but he has a country to run. I felt that Vee's level headed, refined, and intellectual approach would be the most helpful. She also seemed more Queen like while Neese embodied the more happy-go-lucky Disney Princess attitude. Essentially, it is the choice between Queen Elsa and Princess Anna personalty wise or Belle vs. Rapunzel.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Squirtle80:

At this point, Graham doesn't need another adventure partner, he needs someone to help him deal with the bureaucracy and administration of actually being King of Daventry. If Graham were just going to keep on adventuring Neese would be a great choice and companioon, but he has a country to run. I felt that Vee's level headed, refined, and intellectual approach would be the most helpful. She also seemed more Queen like while Neese embodied the more happy-go-lucky Disney Princess attitude. Essentially, it is the choice between Queen Elsa and Princess Anna personalty wise or Belle vs. Rapunzel.

Same with me. As stated before, Queen Valanice never went on adventuring with Graham in the original series and the only reason she did was to look for her daughter in KQ7. Vee also fits the classic description of VAlanice as being someone who is intelligent, beautiful, and runs the castle with refinement.

I would believe that if Neese was Valanice, she would be like a more irrational version of Graham and would jump at the moment to get the apple to save Graham in KQ4 despite being old. I also think that if the speculations are true and that the princess Graham doesn't pick becomes Icebella, it would make sense for someone who is compassionate and is naive (she was tricked into castle after looking for unicorns) to become someone who is cold and frigid - to me, it shows that someone who originally believed that the world is nice and beautiful becomes jaded over the years. We also see that Neese being compassionate towards a Wedzel Wolf. Could this be foreshadowing to the Icebella?

Having just played KQ5 today, I have noticed that to melt Icebella's heart, Garham plays the Harp. Neese is a character who loves music, so retconning the game and making her Icebella is one of the reasons that Icebella doesn't kill Graham - perhaps they will expand this scene in Chapter 4.

[rognik]

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

I also do not recall Valanice being irratic, an airhead, and spontanious in the clasic games. While one can argue Graham isn't as spontanious in the classic games, he matures by the time chapter 3 hits.

This right here is an argument as to how Neese COULD be Valanice. She's almost exactly like he was at the start of the game: clumsy, goofy, excitable. In short, adorkable. If Graham can mature over a few scant years (at least 8, judging by Bramble and Wente's dialogue), then Neese could become the clever and demure Queen we know her to be, even if she slips every so often.

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

I think because the way The Odd Gentlemen introduced Neese after Vee is an indication that Vee is the traditional Valanice whereas Neece is the reimagined version of her.

Subtle... I like it! I'd buy that that was intentional.

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

If Neese was Valanice, wouldn't she tag with Rosella in KQ4 and Alexander in KQ6? Afterall, Neese LOVES adventures. While Graham loves them as well, he was dying in the Rosella game and was nowhere to be seen until the end in KQ6.

Neese probably would've loved to have gone questing before KQVII with her children, since this chapter proves she did so with her husband once. However, not only was she stricken wtih grief after Graham's heart attack at the start of KQIV, but the good fairy (I forget her name now) teleported Rosella away when she was on her own, not giving Valanice a chance to even chase after her. As for KQVI, Alexander going to the Green Isles was supposed to be a simple diplomatic (or possibly romantic) voyage to see Cassima again. Valanice going would've just, uh, "cramped his style", if you will. Only KQVII offered her the chance to be where the action was AND leap after it to be an active participant.