WMMA5

[Dr. Strangelove]

They released WMMA5 this year but apparently haven't released it on Steam or changed the price here. Get the new one instead, there is no reason whatsoever to get this one.

[JAMR]

Ni lanzaron el 5, ni el 4.
Tienen steam como algo secundario

Neither launched the 5, nor the 4.
They have steam as something secondary.

[samuricex]

New isn't always better. My favorite is still WMMA2. Not buying off their website again, can't recover my codes for the games I did buy. Partly my fault, but the system they use suck as well.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Never played it, how is it better?

[ScoobyDooJedi]

Most likely they will see how much they can get on there own site before puting 5 on steam so give it a few years most likely 4 will be on here before they put 5 on steam.

[Marginal0]

I'd say 5 is almost strictly better than all before. The only thing the earlier ones had different that you might like more is the commentary. Ffs just put the key in your cell phone and somewhere on your pc and you'll never lose it...

[meghostryder]

5 is the best game greydog has ever done. Olympics and MMA chamionships, tournaments all in as well as an expanded and moddable fight engine, as well as wide screen at 1366 x 768 which brings it to modern monitors. E-license can suck but in this case it's worth the hassle as the game is that good.

[Papa Dom]

this is the only one I have ever bought and i love it, i must have logged 1000 hours in this via E-license. I thought about getting WMMA 5 from greydog but after losing WMMA 3 , I just bought it on here again. maybe if 5 was hhere I would ahve got that one lol

[Darkability]

Originally posted by meghostryder:

as well as wide screen at 1366 x 768 which brings it to modern monitors.

lol, so these games are like that are they? can you not run the games at 1920 x 1080, or higher?

[AlterEgo45]

There's a really good reason not to. Over the years I must have bought 6 or 7 games directly from GDS's website, and I can no longer play any of them because like most computer users, I've switched e-mails a couple of times and changed PCs. That's a lot of money thrown away.

When I lost WMMA4, then got a snotty reply about it when I wrote something on the site, I decided I was never going to buy another title off the GDS site again. For me, a GDS title needs to be on Steam, and it needs to be on sale before I'll touch it. If that's never going to happen, I'll just spend my money on other games.

This is 2018. There's no reason why any developer should be inflicting that 1990's-era copy protection on us anymore. I imagine pirates must eat e-license protection for breakfast at this point anyway, so what is it protecting?

Plus like SamuriceX said... with GDS games newer often doesn't mean better. Just different. I've never seen any new release from them which is so much better than the previous version as to be worth AAA money. I don't know what 5 is like, but personally I wouldn't trade my copy of WMMA3 in for a copy of 4, and as a former owner of WMMA2 (that's the one with the belts as ratings, right?), I'm not convinced that WMMA2 isn't better than both of them.

I'd load up WMMA2 to check that theory, but of course I'm not able to play that anymore either...

It's not just one or two people who believe that way about the new releases. There are still a lot of people who play the 'Extreme Wrestling' games, which are about 15 years old and were the precursor to the TEW series that's now out. They just enjoy those games more than the new stuff.

Sorry for the rant but e-license is a peeve of mine. I've lost too many games because of weirdness, screwups, and outdated processes related to that thing.

[lahoward]

Originally posted by AlterEgo45:

For me, a GDS title needs to be on Steam, and it needs to be on sale before I'll touch it. If that's never going to happen, I'll just spend my money on other games.

I was gonna vent as well but I read your post and this sums it up perfectly.

[Kitano Vinken]

Just wanted to reiterate the feelings here. in 2020 it is still the same. Got a craving to play some WMMA, but since it can only be bought through their website, it will be a no-go. I am also one of those people who lost a couple of their dumb e-licences, and got very snarky replies from Grey Dog Software, up to the point where I decided never to buy from them again. It is a shame, because their games can be great.

[DaveM]

WMMA6 has been out for 2 years and they still only have WMMA3 on steam. That's a shady business model clearly as they are concerned with user reviews so I will not support it. I understand Steam takes a significant percent but its clear Greydog don't even believe in their own games.

I will not purchase 6 or any games from Greydog for these reasons. It screams scam.

[TheRogueFedora]

Dave out here from the future, there is no WMMA6. 5 is the latest.

[AlterEgo45]

5 is also the last. The dev has said that there won't be a WMMA6.

Grey Dog also isn't the one selling WMMA3 on Steam. Someone bought the right to manage and sell it here. It's some kind of distributor deal, but GDS isn't really involved and that's probably true of their other games on here too. I doubt Grey Dog has any Steam presence whatsoever.

BTW, just went to their forums to confirm that WMMA5 is the last (it is), and saw that everything but the "general discussion" forum is now set to private. You can't even lurk and read strategy unless you're registered and logged in. They've also taken down a lot of their older games, like TEW2005 and things like that.

GDS has great games, but odd ideas regarding business practices and community interaction. It's almost a form of paranoia. I can't think of another gaming company which operates like Grey Dog except maybe Slitherine, and even Slitherine works closely with Steam and has promotions and such.

[Marginal0]

Paranoia? One can claim as well that being afraid of non-intrusive "DRM" and unwanting to register for a forum are severe signs of paranoia. So is the ridiculous need to have everything on one platform that happens to ask a substantial amount just to host your product.

It's actually a wonderful community, and maybe that is because the - very basic - restriction keeps most of the clowns and idiots out of the forums.

FYI: they haven't taken down TEW2005. It's actually freeware and can be downloaded from the forum. And I fail to see what other games they've taken down...