(beta) Bugs: The Maw, Snagged Fish, Stormy, Rocks

[Murderhorse]

Still loving the new stuff! Here's some things I noticed,

The Maw seems to occasionally glitch out and stay in one place, flipping over endlessly. It disregards bulbfish bait while it does this.

Snagging the hook on terrain is a massive source of frustration. On top of that, fish that you lose by snagging on terrain (especially when they decide to drive your hook into the rocks and you have no means to free it) seem to glitch out and stay where you snapped the line instead of going back to their normal patrols. It's also making catching cave fish really really hard since there are limited means of preventing them from slamming themselves into the floor or roof of a cave.

I just caught stormy in broad daylight, though it was the day after a storm.

Catching a rock on the seafloor (to prepare for bombats) counts as a failed cast and causes reeling in if scouting isn't equipped, despite it being the intended means of catching bombats. I feel like this isn't intentional.

The swordfish doesn't really fight back, I realize it's because you're paralyzing it with the pufferfish but it also says large fish can shrug off the effects.

Not a bug I don't think, but my quests are asking for a moga (ugggh), bombats (which have the rock issue, the snagging issue, and keep getting eaten when I'm trying to bring them up due to being a small size fish), and bagus (which show up whenever I don't want to see them and vanish when I do). I'm this close but a pile of frustration from actually getting deep sea sonar.

[C0010]

Maw:
Without a bulbfish in (or near) his mouth?

Snagging on Terrain:
This isn't an issue for classic mode, and I'm not TOO concerned with an additional challenge in the very late game for realism players.

The way I conceptualize it is this: Most of the fish in the caves have fairly predictable thrall patterns. My hope was that players would learn these patterns and lure fish to a safe area (or entirely out of the caves) before hooking them. Some fish literally require this. But "learning" these thrall patterns might not be fun for the player!

I think the issue is that there is very little margin for error. Either you're in a good spot to catch the fish or you aren't, and your success hinges entirely on that preperation. Maybe a big reduction in stamina for (at least some) cave fish would increase the margin of error and allow for more forgiving gameplay in these areas. What do you think?

Failed cast on catching a rock:
This is an intentional red herring designed to make rocks seem useless at first and encourage that rewarding "eureka" moment when players figure it out. Poor execution?

Swordfish not fighting back:
He's SUPPOSED to fight, actually. He's disoriented and begins fighting right as he realizes he's about to be caught--this is similar to the Turgeon. But right now he tends to accidentally throw himself out of the water at the very beggining of the fight. I'll tighten this up. xD

Quests too difficult:
This is really hard to balance and quest have been re-written more than any other feature. I've seriously considered a "quests buyout" purchasable (unlocked at higher levels) to fix these cases where players have a bunch of annoying quests, but I don't really like this solution. Any ideas?

[C0010]

Fixed the swordfish fight and toned down some of the cave fish's stamina. These changes aren't actually live yet.

Haven't touched the other things just yet, but I'm watching quests closely.

I appreciate all the feedback!

[Murderhorse]

Maw: Yep, I even tried running bait through the maw trying to see if there were hidden bulbfish, but nada.

I totally get why the snagging mechanism exists, I'm just having issues where near reef fish or lunging cave fish instantly drive into the rocks and are irrevocably stuck. Some means to jog them loose maybe, at risk to the line, might be better than "oh that large fish dove straight down and hit the rocks sucks for you" (I've lost the Maw three times to this when it wasn't glitching).

The biggest problem I have with the rocks counting as a failed cast is it means you *require* scouting, and once I'm looking to catch something I usually prefer other upgrades to scouting.

Regarding quests, what if it was designed so that if you had two quests that asked for a "progression" fish it asked for a reasonably "tiered" set? Like, if I own a master rod and a luxury boat, and have quests asking for a Moga and a Cave Shark, ask for repeats of some of the far out/reef/easier cave fish?

speaking of the cave shark i managed to get it to lunge at my bait once but I've forgotten what it was that I was using as bait, and can't seem to get it to lunge again... #weshallfigurethisout

[Joseph Sandvich]

Maw was a pain,either he would break the rope,because he never tires,and goes to rocks,either it got bugged,and flip like to infinity,wont take bait,and if you use the bomb,he will run away,retunr and get bugged again,only way i could caugh it it was to make it follow me near boat and catch it that way

[McGierek]

What are the chances for stormy? I've got it during first storm and never again. And because I didn't cought it the quest and log is still open

[♡ PHDM ♡ b0nni3]

Quests too difficult:
This is really hard to balance and quest have been re-written more than any other feature. I've seriously considered a "quests buyout" purchasable (unlocked at higher levels) to fix these cases where players have a bunch of annoying quests, but I don't really like this solution. Any ideas? [/quote]

Could maybe do a re-roll cost to drop a new one?